windows 8.1 still sucks

[fanfare]

fd

[rootbeer]

fanfare threads still own really hard

[Camoron]

excuse me op, i am running windows 8 right now on my desktop, it does not suck. it is better than windows 7 in every way except it lacks a start menu but tbh i dont even miss it

[rootbeer]

lol

[steveyos]

excuse me op, i am running windows 8 right now on my desktop, it does not suck. it is better than windows 7 in every way except it lacks a start menu but tbh i dont even miss it

http://i.imgur.com/S8eBm7O.png

[steveyos]

http://www.classicshell.net/



steveyelle.com had an entire thing on fixing windows 8


if you want my config file I'll get you it if you wanna set it up on your own go for it but it's not that pretty out of the box but still fine


if you use netflix and whatever here's a sleeper timer http://www.bandicam.com/shutdown8/

[steveyos]

I have two monitors ignore the left side the start menu is at the bottom left I just don't have the time to crop the screenshot I used windows key plus print screen

[steveyos]

(please don't tell anyone I know more about computers than this entire forum and their family and friends combined)

[rootbeer]

im using windows 7 :sadcreepy:

[juji]

(please don't tell anyone I know more about computers than this entire forum and their family and friends combined)

except HDMI port

[steveyos]

nothing wrong with windows 7 either

I didn't have a single problem even on vista, on this same desktop, but I can definitely say windows 8 is the fastest OS ever made and made this 2008 dinosaur I've got here run like it's not even supposed to be available yet but at the end of the day no matter the OS you still need a government supercomputer to run second life in max graphics so w/e

[steveyos]

except HDMI port

why do you care so much about sound anyway

[juji]

why do you care so much about sound anyway

You forgot HDMI is video and sound output

[steveyos]

You forgot HDMI is video and sound output

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[Camoron]

you don't understand graphics cards don't produce sound and dvi produces the same image quality as hdmi

some graphics cards do

mine does

it outputs sound via HDMI to my HDTV which i use as a second monitor when i wanna watch netflix or HBOGo

[sex with dead people]

Stevey needs hdmi so bad and he doesnt even realize it yet

[juji]

Fanfare is banned

[Autistic Spectrum]

when ever me and cag watch the adventures of captin archer and the rest of the enterprise crew over skype, you better dam well believe i use my hdmi out on my graphics card,

[sex with dead people]

I have a geforce 2 with 32mb rams

[0mon Ra]

it's good on tablets. but for desktops or laptops it's dumb.

[juji]

I have a geforce 2 with 32mb rams

Nice it can run diablo 2

[sex with dead people]

I don't like devils

[steveyos]

oh if you can actually output sound through a graphics card well I hate to break it to ya but you couldn't pay me to do that because you see I enjoy having speakers that aren't imbedded into a tv and stuff see the back of my computer you've got the dvi wire that goes to my monitor that doesn't have any speakers built in because that's stupid, and then another wire going to my speakers, from my sound card, because why the fuck ugh man what is wrong with you people

[steveyos]

my current graphics card doesn't have hdmi ports anyway, and my next one unless the newest cards ALL come with hdmi ports only if dvi is completely gone then that's the only way I won't have dvi for my brand new 2014 top of the line everything rig either

[steveyos]

because you see, that's stupid, why put that extra stress on the graphics card when there's not only built-in audio on motherboards but slots where you can put super high quality sound cards nobody has managed to make sense of this yet and they never will not one person has given me any reason to even consider such a thing

[steveyos]

btw to catch everyone up I got an LED monitor and it's fucking amazing it's made by acer it was super on sale at newegg IT DOESN'T EVEN GET HOT

[fanfare]

i had a feeling steveyos would come in here to talk about 'classic shell' after he posted that pic of his desktop. too fucking funny. thats definitely what i want to look at when im using my computer, a little cartoon shell in the corner like my OS is the little mermaid OS. when you click the shell does sebastian come out and play under the sea in MIDI? you 'poor unforuntate soul' steveyos (lol, reference from LITTLE MERMAID). for some reason you just go fucking nuts every time theres a new operating system, remember when you were busting your nut over how amazing windows 7 was, and then you were like 'windows 7 sucks' a week later only go juggle from ubuntu to windows 7 about 30 times? i guess now youve finally found the perfect OS, one that you have to install disney software to make it even remotely function properly.

[Autistic Spectrum]

wanna play second life

[steveyos]

you can change that if your autism effects you that deeply I just don't care lol

[steveyos]

who was it that commented on me still having the action center flag displayed at the bottom right who cares lmao go outside

[fanfare]

whats peculiar is your taskbar is sharper and crisper than anything else on the screen

[Camoron]

oh if you can actually output sound through a graphics card well I hate to break it to ya but you couldn't pay me to do that because you see I enjoy having speakers that aren't imbedded into a tv and stuff see the back of my computer you've got the dvi wire that goes to my monitor that doesn't have any speakers built in because that's stupid, and then another wire going to my speakers, from my sound card, because why the fuck ugh man what is wrong with you people

lol are you fuckign retarded, you dont have to use your TV as your sound source but since my TV is like 4 feet away from my computer I use it when i watch netflix or whatever on it since it projects the sound from the source of the video rather than from 4 feet to the right of it which is awk as fuck

[Camoron]

i had a feeling steveyos would come in here to talk about 'classic shell' after he posted that pic of his desktop. too fucking funny. thats definitely what i want to look at when im using my computer, a little cartoon shell in the corner like my OS is the little mermaid OS. when you click the shell does sebastian come out and play under the sea in MIDI? you 'poor unforuntate soul' steveyos (lol, reference from LITTLE MERMAID). for some reason you just go fucking nuts every time theres a new operating system, remember when you were busting your nut over how amazing windows 7 was, and then you were like 'windows 7 sucks' a week later only go juggle from ubuntu to windows 7 about 30 times? i guess now youve finally found the perfect OS, one that you have to install disney software to make it even remotely function properly.
didnt have to install anything, windows 8 works fine, start menu is old as fuck and unnecessary, i can find whatever i need without any added effort
but then im a power user :monocle:

[maks]

start menu is old as fuck and unnecessary

I agree, but the metro interface is just a less organized start menu with gigantic fisher price buttons that you have to grab with your mouse and drag around. Search i the most efficient way to launch programs these days, the bar at the bottom of 7's start menu was glorious, sure they stole it from osx but who cares it works great. One click, then type the first 3 letters of a program or control panel setting, document etc and it pops up right there in front of you.

Also the 'fullscreen by default' philosophy for 8-specific applications is fucking retarded. Also a task bar is essential on something like a Windows machine which will run out of RAM and run like shit if you leave everything running all the time.

Windows 8's new interface should have been a taskbar with a search box embedded in it.

[maks]

For what it's worth Server 2012 defaults to the desktop but if you click where the start menu is supposed to be it brings up the server manager instead of anything useful, and I miss the notification area.

[steveyos]

whats peculiar is your taskbar is sharper and crisper than anything else on the screen

I have 150% sizing on and windows for some reason does a terrible job at it so yeah in order to have text not be the size of an atom I gotta have it well actually it looks fine

even now though this text isn't even larger than a pen turned sideways and chrome is at default zoom I mean seriously how fucking small do faggots need their text and everything nowadays this trend has to stop what does everyone now actually literally sit with their eyes pressed against their monitors what teh fuck for real


lol are you fuckign retarded, you dont have to use your TV as your sound source but since my TV is like 4 feet away from my computer I use it when i watch netflix or whatever on it since it projects the sound from the source of the video rather than from 4 feet to the right of it which is awk as fuck

well not everyone can afford $10,000 televisions with good speakers ok?


I agree, but the metro interface is just a less organized start menu with gigantic fisher price buttons that you have to grab with your mouse and drag around. Search i the most efficient way to launch programs these days, the bar at the bottom of 7's start menu was glorious, sure they stole it from osx but who cares it works great. One click, then type the first 3 letters of a program or control panel setting, document etc and it pops up right there in front of you.

Also the 'fullscreen by default' philosophy for 8-specific applications is fucking retarded. Also a task bar is essential on something like a Windows machine which will run out of RAM and run like shit if you leave everything running all the time.

Windows 8's new interface should have been a taskbar with a search box embedded in it.

my windows 8 is nothing like that is behaves exactly like windows 7 except it's even faster even though I haven't changed a single part on this pre-vista desktop I built

windows 8 fucking rule, I have 7 I have vista I have ubuntu I have everything and I seriously threw it all at garbage

you should to abandon your influences

oh and with classic shell not only do I get the best start menu ever I neverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr have to see metro and all the explorer windows you can customize to be like XP which had all the fancy stuff but I only installed the start menu because I don't need explorer to have anything since second life's shortcut is right on the desktop, which my pc boots to right away it's not like it starts at metro on boot either

[steveyos]

god damn you really fuck yourself over when you're a nerd you are missing out on pure raw speed you really are

[Plug Drugs]

Fuckrosoft Winshit 8

[Plug Drugs]

once i need a fresh install i think i'm going with a windows 7 gui on ubuntu

[steveyos]

plug drugs obviously knows what he's talking about he's very smart his example of the perfect girl? lisa, so you know he's gonna choose the best OS too

[Plug Drugs]

:smug:

[steveyos]

no really windows 8 is amazing and if you have problems with it it's not windows 8 it's you

[steveyos]

two monitors running tons of stuff on a desktop with no newer parts than 2008 when they were considered slightly above mid-range everything blazing fast no problems at all why am I better at this stuff than everyone here but everyone thinks I"m the dumbest person hmmmmmmmm hmmmm kinda weird how that works

[Camoron]

I agree, but the metro interface is just a less organized start menu with gigantic fisher price buttons that you have to grab with your mouse and drag around. Search i the most efficient way to launch programs these days, the bar at the bottom of 7's start menu was glorious, sure they stole it from osx but who cares it works great. One click, then type the first 3 letters of a program or control panel setting, document etc and it pops up right there in front of you.

Also the 'fullscreen by default' philosophy for 8-specific applications is fucking retarded. Also a task bar is essential on something like a Windows machine which will run out of RAM and run like shit if you leave everything running all the time.

Windows 8's new interface should have been a taskbar with a search box embedded in it.

ya the interface fuckin sucks, just dont use it, thats my solution

everything else though is > windows 7

[Camoron]

well not everyone can afford $10,000 televisions with good speakers ok?


Right Click Speakers > Playback Devices > Choose sound source and click Set Default

[steveyos]

but I don't want to

[steveyos]

my interface is exactly teh same as 7/vista/xp etc if there's any differences I'm not seeing them this is exactly the same as using any previous windows except faster

[maks]

oh and with classic shell not only do I get the best start menu ever I neverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr have to see metro and all the explorer windows you can customize to be like XP which had all the fancy stuff but I only installed the start menu because I don't need explorer to have anything since second life's shortcut is right on the desktop, which my pc boots to right away it's not like it starts at metro on boot either

I don't want the same interface as Windows 7. I want nothing but a taskbar or dock with a search bar on it. I'm sure it can be done in 8, but it's not really worth it because in the end I'd still be running fucking windows.

[maks]

ya the interface fuckin sucks, just dont use it, thats my solution

everything else though is > windows 7

I don't see any really compelling reason to upgrade, I really only use Win 7 for gaming and considering that 8 is essentially the new Vista it would be a waste of time learning all the ins and outs when they're going to be rushing win 9 to market in a year or two

[always stevey]

ooohh lol technical talk...

*marks98 thread read*

[Camoron]

I don't see any really compelling reason to upgrade, I really only use Win 7 for gaming and considering that 8 is essentially the new Vista it would be a waste of time learning all the ins and outs when they're going to be rushing win 9 to market in a year or two
win 8 doesnt deserve that reputation

anwyays i got it for free through MSDNAA

[maks]

I have a crack that works on everything from win 7 to server 2012 and all the offices and I think maybe visual studio too

[macpro]

http://i.imgur.com/XhAjP6z.jpg

[maks]

fuck off marco this thread is about windows 8

[macpro]

lol fuck your cracks.

[maks]

lol fuck your cracks.

enjoy your dell optiplex that came with win 7 home premium installed you fucking fossil

[always stevey]

enjoy your dell optiplex that came with win 7 home premium installed you fucking fossil

lmao

[Camoron]

dude youre gettin a dell

[macpro]

says i'm getting a dell. woot.

[lnopia the great]

what do you mean by win8 being faster becausE when i use win7 and open program files its p fast

[maks]

marco posts from internet explorer version 7

[Plug Drugs]

wanna play second life

how do you "play" second life? its like Barbies for grown men essentially,
and the games on second life suck and are laggy and buggy as shit

[m0nde]

i found windows 8 to be the same as windows 7
no differences at all

i completely turned off the new menu - would onl use that for a touchscreen

[Plug Drugs]

doesn't windows 8 have a built in iso mounter? See, stuff like that is nice, why can't microsoft just update windows 7 with stuff like that

[Plug Drugs]

you can't tell me it wouldn't take microsoft more than a day to have a guy put a windows update out for windows 7 that gives it a built in iso mounter

[Camoron]

i found windows 8 to be the same as windows 7
no differences at all

i completely turned off the new menu - would onl use that for a touchscreen

its the same only its faster and has a few new features and an awful user itnerface

[m0nde]

no noticable differences for casual users once you get the start menu back

[Camoron]

it boots a lot faster

[m0nde]

ya, the code is much much faster
i don't know why people hate it at all

[Plug Drugs]

ya, the code is much much faster
i don't know why people hate it at all

it's because people view metro as an assault on computer culture

[Camoron]

yeah even my instructor was talking shit about windows 8 and i was like "uh dude windows 8 is like windows 7 but even better" and he just wouldnt get over the interface and then said it was too much like windows 7 and he'd wait for windows 9

i hope everyone buys windows 9 assumign it will follow Microsoft's pattern and then it bucks the pattern and turns out to be a total piece of shit and I'll be like :smug: should have gone with windows 8 fuckers

[Plug Drugs]

most people aren't going to revert the interface back, and then, Oh Boy! millions of computer users accustomed to a shitty interface who can't do dick and have to be spoon-fed by corporations

[Plug Drugs]

if it wasn't a diabolical plot by microsoft, they would have kept the old interface as optional, just a setting you can switch on/off instead of having to download something to change it back

[Plug Drugs]

Not to mention the main thing microsoft had going for it in its competition with apple was the more intelligible interface of Windows.
They gave that up to try and stay on the curve with Apple, but they're not going to be able to beat Apple at their own game.

[Plug Drugs]

It's like Microsoft almost had Apple in checkmate, panicked, fucked up and missed an important move, and now Apple just wormed its way out of it

[maks]

most people aren't going to revert the interface back, and then, Oh Boy! millions of computer users accustomed to a shitty interface who can't do dick and have to be spoon-fed by corporations

you just described the very concept of windows you self righteous ill informed pc newbie hypocrite. If microsoft hadn't forced the gui on everyone with their win 95 abomination I wouldn't have to deal with dumbshits like you all the time. Go ahead, prove you wouldn't be completely and hopelessly lost if you ever had to do anything in DOS.

[maks]

Plug Drugs please tell me how I should edit config.sys to set the com port for a soundblaster 16

[lnopia the great]

i wonder if the seconds you save on reboots will ever make up for the time you wasted downloading win8

[lnopia the great]

:theo:

[Cody]

<-- still using xp SP3 no problems

[maks]

plug drugs is a fucking moron who would be lost without the GUI, he might as well be an aol user

[Plug Drugs]

i can look things up and do them in DOS when i have to; throwing out the GUI for windows increases the gap between your average user and someone who knows what they're doing in DOS, and you fucking know it

[Plug Drugs]

oh, that's right, it's more beneficial for you if people don't know what they're doing on computers, so you can profit and leech off them you fucking parasite

[PROFESSIONAL WHITE SUPREMACIST]

http://i.imgur.com/oA2JLsi.jpg

[maks]

i can look things up and do them in DOS when i have to; throwing out the GUI for windows increases the gap between your average user and someone who knows what they're doing in DOS, and you fucking know it

Don't try to deflect this back onto me, you're in here whining that windows 8 will breed a new generation of idiots who don't understand the basic principles behind what they're doing, meanwhile windows already did that 20 years ago and you're one of the idiots it bred, you hypocrite.

[maks]

oh, that's right, it's more beneficial for you if people don't know what they're doing on computers, so you can profit and leech off them you fucking parasite

yes when someone says "I don't want to learn/do this, you do it for me" that is not the basis of any and every service industry, that is parasitic, you're absolutely right.

[maks]

I hate how those parasites at jiffy lube charge a reasonable price to change peoples oil for them, their customers will never know the glory and the satisfaction of getting covered in oil themselves and are clearly being taken advantage of

[maks]

Clicking on pretty little pictures is hard, but I worked diligently to learn how and am now a super genius. If they make the pretty pictures just slightly bigger, though, that's like way too easy and frankly it insults my intelligence

[Plug Drugs]

Don't try to deflect this back onto me, you're in here whining that windows 8 will breed a new generation of idiots who don't understand the basic principles behind what they're doing, meanwhile windows already did that 20 years ago and you're one of the idiots it bred, you hypocrite.
so you'd honestly prefer to just do everything in DOS and have no GUI?

[Plug Drugs]

yes when someone says "I don't want to learn/do this, you do it for me" that is not the basis of any and every service industry, that is parasitic, you're absolutely right.
but it is still more beneficial for you if more people are out there going "I don't want to learn/do this, you do it for me", so you being in favor of something which does that is parasitic

[maks]

so you'd honestly prefer to just do everything in DOS and have no GUI?

No, I'd prefer if GUIs had never been invented because then morons like you would be watching TV instead of pretending they're power users based on their button clicking skills.

[Plug Drugs]

'
like i said, i can do things in DOS when i have to, i just don't know why you'd want to

[maks]

but it is still more beneficial for you if more people are out there going "I don't want to learn/do this, you do it for me", so you being in favor of something which does that is parasitic

yes I'd much rather walk 20 morons through setting up signatures in Outlook instead of working on their exchange server, you caught me I love doing pissant level 1 bullshit all the time.

[maks]

like i said, i can do things in DOS when i have to, i just don't know why you'd want to

Bullshit. Prove it, tell me how to append a line of text to a file.

[Plug Drugs]

No, I'd prefer if GUIs had never been invented because then morons like you would be watching TV instead of pretending they're power users based on their button clicking skills.
then there would be no gaming, no ytmnd message boards, no anything... you'd be playing with your dick in a dark room, just you and DOS
and are you implying you have all of DOS memorized and never have to look anything up?

[maks]

then there would be no gaming, no ytmnd message boards, no anything... you'd be playing with your dick in a dark room, just you and DOS

you're right I never played wolfenstein nor does a web browser (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Web_browsers_for_DOS) exist

there's certainly not 10 different ones in that link



and are you implying you have all of DOS memorized and never have to look anything up?

yep, it's not hard but it's probably beyond your ability

[Plug Drugs]

Bullshit. Prove it, tell me how to append a line of text to a file.

COPY text1.txt + text2.txt

[Plug Drugs]

TYPE B.TXT>>A.TXT

[Plug Drugs]

APPEND/?

[Plug Drugs]

you're right I never played wolfenstein nor does a web browser (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Web_browsers_for_DOS) exist

there's certainly not 10 different ones in that link



yep, it's not hard but it's probably beyond your ability
the gaming community would have never picked up and developed further without GUIs, also, wolfenstein and internet browsers are both GUIs

[maks]

the gaming community would have never picked up and developed further without GUIs, also, wolfenstein and internet browsers are both GUIs

yep looks like a gui to me, you're so smart I guess I was wrong

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/Lynx_screenshot.png

[maks]

also you're totally right about wolfenstein being a gui because a game is absolutely a user interface

[Plug Drugs]

also you're totally right about wolfenstein being a gui because a game is absolutely a user interface
it is

[maks]

COPY text1.txt + text2.txt

that's how you combine two text files, power user. you're looking for

echo "text" >> filename.txt

[Plug Drugs]

yep looks like a gui to me, you're so smart I guess I was wrong

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/Lynx_screenshot.png

that's a GUI

[maks]

it is

you're retarded

[Plug Drugs]

that's how you combine two text files, power user. you're looking for

echo "text" >> filename.txt

that's how you start a new line in a text file isn't it?

[maks]

that's how you start a new line in a text file isn't it?

no that's how you append text to a file that's why I said it

[Plug Drugs]

you're retarded

what's Graphic?
what's user?
what's interface?

A video game IS a GUI

[maks]

that's a GUI

I'm pretty sure you don't know what GUI means. I'll give you a hint, the g is for graphical.

[Plug Drugs]

well i told you how to append text from one file to another file, big woop,
when i looked it up, i saw the echo "text" >> filename.txt command but thought "nah that's not what he's looking for"

[Plug Drugs]

I'm pretty sure you don't know what GUI means. I'll give you a hint, the g is for graphical.

check the above post dipshit

[maks]

well i told you how to append text from one file to another file, big woop,
when i looked it up, i saw the echo "text" >> filename.txt command but thought "nah that's not what he's looking for"

you had to look up an incredibly basic and simple task pretty much proved my point riht now


check the above post dipshit

You mean the one where I posted a screenshot of the Lynx web browser? I saw that, it's text mode and you navigate via keyboard commands there's nothing graphical about it, dipshit

[maks]

so by your metric dos is a GUI too

[Plug Drugs]

also, that browser was a GUI because there was a highlighted blue bar for your selection and an up/down function

[Plug Drugs]

so by your metric dos is a GUI too

technically, but anything can be managed through text and the enter key

[maks]

also, that browser was a GUI because there was a highlighted blue bar for your selection and an up/down function

you still don't seem to understand what a gui is maybe you should look it up

[maks]

In computing,[1] graphical user interface (GUI, sometimes pronounced 'gooey')[2] is a type of user interface that allows users to interact with electronic devices using images rather than text commands.

[maks]

in other words pretty pictures, like every OS you've ever used

[Plug Drugs]

you had to look up an incredibly basic and simple task pretty much proved my point riht now
the only thing standing as a barrier between me and understanding DOS is the esoteric nature of language;
if i changed all the syntax of commands around to random symbols, you'd probably have to relearn DOS entirely

[Plug Drugs]

give me a DOS manual and a dictionary and I can do anything you can do in DOS; granted it will take me some more time, because you've just used DOS more and are more experienced with it, but I would still be able to catch up

[maks]

the only thing standing as a barrier between me and understanding DOS is the esoteric nature of language;
if i changed all the syntax of commands around to random symbols, you'd probably have to relearn DOS entirely

you're right, if they changed every single dos command I'd have to relearn it, that's a very astute observation

by the way, they did do that and I did learn it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powershell

[maks]

give me a DOS manual and a dictionary and I can do anything you can do in DOS; granted it will take me some more time, because you've just used DOS more and are more experienced with it, but I would still be able to catch up

lies, if you were going to use dos you'd be using it now. you're a newbie hooked on his GUI and you have no place criticizing windows 8 users

[Plug Drugs]

you're right, if they changed every single dos command I'd have to relearn it, that's a very astute observation

by the way, they did do that and I did learn it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powershell

good for you; does that make it a good thing to dumb down the user interface of windows to an even lower tier of simplification, such that trying to do any sort of file management on your computer is just tedious or even impossible?
I can cut a file from my downloads folder and paste it into one of my music, movies, videos, or pictures folders faster than you could type out the command for doing that on command prompt..
And I could DEFINITELY do it faster than someone on Windows 8 could, who would have to fumble around with applications that take up the entire screen first before getting to where they'd need to go

[maks]

good for you; does that make it a good thing to dumb down the user interface of windows to an even lower tier of simplification, such that trying to do any sort of file management on your computer is just tedious or even impossible?
I can cut a file from my downloads folder and paste it into one of my music, movies, videos, or pictures folders faster than you could type out the command for doing that on command prompt..
And I could DEFINITELY do it faster than someone on Windows 8 could, who would have to fumble around with applications that take up the entire screen first before getting to where they'd need to go

Please explain how making the pretty pictures slightly bigger in Windows 8 dumbs down the interface any more than Windows itself already did before you even started using it.

[maks]

I'm betting that despite how minor the changes are you'd be completely lost in windows 8 and that's why it bugs you so much

also I'd love to see you navigate around explorer faster than I can type 'move filename %USERPROFILE%\documents"

[maks]

how about move all files of a particular type

move *.txt %USERPROFILE%\documents

What's that? I'm done and you're still fumbling around with ctrl+click? who would have thought

[Plug Drugs]

Please explain how making the pretty pictures slightly bigger in Windows 8 dumbs down the interface any more than Windows itself already did before you even started using it.
it makes things like file management more time consuming, and ultimately that discourages people from ever learning anything about their computer, as they're only going to learn what's convenient.

And that doesn't imply that Windows 8 is more convenient; it just means that what little convenience it does provide is only convenient to an extent. Anyone who spends a lot of time on their computer is going to end up wasting time due to efficiency reasons on windows 8 compared to windows 7, assuming they don't change the interface from default

[maks]

keep ctrl+clicking, I'm going to go do the same thing in *nix and still finish before you've had a chance to hit ctrl-x

mv *.txt ~\Documents

[maks]

it makes things like file management more time consuming, and ultimately that discourages people from ever learning anything about their computer, as they're only going to learn what's convenient.


You mean like how you never learned any DOS commands, right? Because it's more convenient to let trhe pretty pictures hold your hand and stroke your hair



And that doesn't imply that Windows 8 is more convenient; it just means that what little convenience it does provide is only convenient to an extent. Anyone who spends a lot of time on their computer is going to end up wasting time due to efficiency reasons on windows 8 compared to windows 7, assuming they don't change the interface from default

It actually implies that explorer in windows 8 is identical to the one in windows 7 and you've never even seen the OS you're criticizing

[Plug Drugs]

We want a world filled with intelligent people; we don't want a mass population of mongoloids who throw fits when things don't work for them

[maks]

Holy shit that looks... oddly familiar

http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news2/Windows-8-Explorer-s-Ribbon-Kept-Expanded-by-22-Users-2.jpg

[maks]

We want a world filled with intelligent people; we don't want a mass population of mongoloids who throw fits when things don't work for them

I aree, that's why it sickens me when picture clickers like you get on your high horse bragging about what big smart power users you are

[Plug Drugs]

keep ctrl+clicking, I'm going to go do the same thing in *nix and still finish before you've had a chance to hit ctrl-x

mv *.txt ~\Documents
how'd you learn the name of the downloaded file without typing other commands first :smug:

[Plug Drugs]

under optimum optimum conditions for both of us, i can move both window panes for the download folder and the destination folder almost on top of each other, and i can click and ctrl+x ctrl+v pretty fast, its going to be faster than you typing out the command even if you already know the name of the file you're moving

[maks]

how'd you learn the name of the downloaded file without typing other commands first :smug:

Well you see, mr gui dependent newb retard, an asterisk is a wildcard and represents everything matching the rest of the string

[maks]

under optimum optimum conditions for both of us, i can move both window panes for the download folder and the destination folder almost on top of each other, and i can click and ctrl+x ctrl+v pretty fast, its going to be faster than you typing out the command even if you already know the name of the file you're moving

I'll be done before you even get the two explorer windows open and pointed at the right locations.

[Plug Drugs]

I aree, that's why it sickens me when picture clickers like you get on your high horse bragging about what big smart power users you are

making those pictures even bigger isn't going to fix that

[maks]

making those pictures even bigger isn't going to fix that

No, it's not, and I never claimed it would. My argument is that you are exactly the sort of person you're complaining about and exactly as stupid as someone who has never used anything but Windows 8.

[Plug Drugs]

You mean like how you never learned any DOS commands, right? Because it's more convenient to let trhe pretty pictures hold your hand and stroke your hair
I can do things in DOS if I have to, ask your average Windows 8 user if they can do anything in DOS


It actually implies that explorer in windows 8 is identical to the one in windows 7 and you've never even seen the OS you're criticizing
Windows 8 forces you to use the metro interface for various things

[Plug Drugs]

No, it's not, and I never claimed it would. My argument is that you are exactly the sort of person you're complaining about and exactly as stupid as someone who has never used anything but Windows 8.

but if you can agree that making those pictures bigger is going to leave the user dumber, and you can agree that we want a population of people who know what they're doing, then you couldn't possibly approve of the windows 8 interface, lest you tolerate dissonance in your brain

[maks]

I can do things in DOS if I have to, ask your average Windows 8 user if they can do anything in DOS

They can google it just as well as you can. Looking shit up != knowing how to use it



Windows 8 forces you to use the metro interface for various things

Like what?


but if you can agree that making those pictures bigger is going to leave the user dumber,


I don't agree with that, I think it's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard and that's why I've spent the last 10 posts ripping on you for saying it

[Plug Drugs]

also, there are many examples of tasks where a GUI has a DOS-user beat in terms of speed and efficiency;
for example, if i wanted to move 3 files that were next to each other in a folder, WITHOUT moving any others, i could click and drag to select, cut and paste them.
You wouldn't be able to do this in DOS.

[always stevey]

Don't try to deflect this back onto me, you're in here whining that windows 8 will breed a new generation of idiots who don't understand the basic principles behind what they're doing, meanwhile windows already did that 20 years ago and you're one of the idiots it bred, you hypocrite.

hahaha lol

[Plug Drugs]

They can google it just as well as you can. Looking shit up != knowing how to use it
Something tells me if you stick your average person who praises Windows 8 into DOS and tell them to append a line of text to a file like you asked me earlier, they're not going to even know where to begin.

[maks]

Something tells me if you stick your average person who praises Windows 8 into DOS and tell them to append a line of text to a file like you asked me earlier, they're not going to even know where to begin.

Neither would you, you googled two solutions and they were both wrong

[Camoron]

jesus who fuckign cares

[Camoron]

nerds

[maks]

jesus who fuckign cares

if it was up to you every thread would be about cag

[fanfare]

if only yall could see each others point of view a little more and agree that both a gui and a command line each have their strengths and weaknesses, you can conclude a fair way to work is to use both.

i skimmed through this thread a little bit and i think maybe the complaint plug drugs against windows 8 has isnt as hypocritical as maks makes it out to be, on the basis that plugs drugs uses the windows gui so he's already using dumbed down software, etc.

i can think of changes to my present windows experience that i would have welcomed, but didn't happen. eventually if you simplify something enough the computer will just turn right back into a television, where there's no creating, only consuming (think about how in particular bill gates trys to reaffirm that users 'like to create, and they like to consume').. maybe plug drugs doesnt like the element of oversimplification or the idea of 'dumbing down' which is a fair point, idk my laptop battery has like 1% i gotta hit submit early or itll all be lost ahhhh

[Camoron]

ya

[Camoron]

every thread is already about cag

[Camoron]

this avatar makes every1 think im posting from a constant state of depression and drunkenness lol

[Camoron]

but im not.

[rootbeer]

suuuure

[maks]

if only yall could see each others point of view a little more and agree that both a gui and a command line each have their strengths and weaknesses, you can conclude a fair way to work is to use both.

i skimmed through this thread a little bit and i think maybe the complaint plug drugs against windows 8 has isnt as hypocritical as maks makes it out to be, on the basis that plugs drugs uses the windows gui so he's already using dumbed down software, etc.

i can think of changes to my present windows experience that i would have welcomed, but didn't happen. eventually if you simplify something enough the computer will just turn right back into a television, where there's no creating, only consuming (think about how in particular bill gates trys to reaffirm that users 'like to create, and they like to consume').. maybe plug drugs doesnt like the element of oversimplification or the idea of 'dumbing down' which is a fair point, idk my laptop battery has like 1% i gotta hit submit early or itll all be lost ahhhh

The GUI and the CLI both have their places, and the most effective way to use these machines is to utilize a combination of both. Anyone who only uses the GUI shouldn't go standing up on pedestals pretending to be an authority on how "smart" people use computers. He's a gigantic hypocrite.

"Windows 8 is oversimplified" is a stupid argument. If anything it's more complicated. If you're in the desktop, you have to move your mouse to a special hidden corner to bring up the control panel or shut it down. There's no button, no sign, you're supposed to just know that. One of the main reasons I recommend my customers avoid Windows 8 is because I don't want to bill them a million hours when they're calling me asking how the fuck to do anything. It's not dumbed down, it's not intuitive, it's change for the sake of change it's clunky and it's shit. Plug Drugs knows Win 8 sucks, but he's ass-backwards on the "why?" and he looks like a jackass right now.

[maks]

fact is I annihilated plug drugs itt, it was easy and I had fun doing it.

[Camoron]

suuuure

honestly my life is pretty great right now how about yours rooty

[Camoron]

fact is I annihilated plug drugs itt, it was easy and I had fun doing it.

Dstroyed

[always stevey]

every thread is already about cag

whut

[Camoron]

cag?

[Camoron]

cag cag? cag, cag cag.

[rootbeer]

honestly my life is pretty great right now how about yours rooty

i am in hell :twisted:
join us cam
we always loves us

[rootbeer]

every thread is already about cag

im pretty sure thats what happens when you are obsessed with someone

[Plug Drugs]

Like what?

How do you view all the applications you've installed on your computer?

[always stevey]

plug drugs still at it.

[always stevey]

after thumbing thru google.

[Camoron]

im pretty sure thats what happens when you are obsessed with someone

cag

[Camoron]

after thumbing thru google.

looking for a new avatar? rofl

[always stevey]

please re-read

[Camoron]

cag in the bar last night
T7Vadzjac6g

[Camoron]

:rofl: star trek humor, skype trolls, epic :lmao:

[maks]

How do you view all the applications you've installed on your computer?

control panel >> programs and features exactly the same as doing it in windows 7 or vista

in xp control panel >> add/remove programs also very similar

[rootbeer]

i have to admit the unironic alcohol avatars beats the shit out of the french guy ones

[Camoron]

thats not the cagtain i know...

[rootbeer]

:rofl: star trek humor, skype trolls, epic :lmao:

i heard cag isnt even a real trekky

[Plug Drugs]

fact is I annihilated plug drugs itt, it was easy and I had fun doing it.

No you didn't; the burden of proof is now on you to prove that Windows 8 is more efficient.
You've already admitted that getting users accustomed to a GUI separates them from the DOS-esque level of intelligence a user has about their operating system, now you have to explain to us why Windows 8 does this less than Windows 7

[Camoron]

i have to admit the unironic alcohol avatars beats the shit out of the french guy ones

mine actually is ironic cuz i havent been even a little drunk for like 2 weeks now

[Plug Drugs]

Because ALL you've claimed so far is that you know how to use DOS and for some reason that means you're right

[Camoron]

i heard cag isnt even a real trekky
you heard wrong shes at least as big a trek nerd as i am and even gets mad about the JJ Abrams movies

[Camoron]

trying real hard to derail this thread

[Camoron]

rated this thread 4 stars

[Camoron]

4/5 gold boxes
i feel its an honest critique

[Plug Drugs]

honestly, if you need any proof that the Windows 8 interface is inferior to Windows 7, you're a jackass

[maks]

No you didn't; the burden of proof is now on you to prove that Windows 8 is more efficient.
You've already admitted that getting users accustomed to a GUI separates them from the DOS-esque level of intelligence a user has about their operating system, now you have to explain to us why Windows 8 does this less than Windows 7

I never said Windows 8 was more efficient, I said quite the opposite. I said it's clunky and badly designed and counterintuitive and that new users are going to have a lot of trouble with it.

I also said that a guy (you) who has no concept of DOS or group policy or active directory who is using about 9% of windows' functionality is essentially the exact same kind of know-nothing rube that you're in here on your high horse screaming about, and that's funny to me and I'm going to rub your face in it endlessly despite camoron's best efforts to make this into a cag thread

[Plug Drugs]

control panel >> programs and features exactly the same as doing it in windows 7 or vista

in xp control panel >> add/remove programs also very similar
Can you launch them from there?
Also, how'd you get to control panel without doing something that's counter-intuitive.

[Plug Drugs]

I never said Windows 8 was more efficient, I said quite the opposite. I said it's clunky and badly designed and counterintuitive and that new users are going to have a lot of trouble with it.

I also said that a guy (you) who has no concept of DOS or group policy or active directory who is using about 9% of windows' functionality is essentially the exact same kind of know-nothing rube that you're in here on your high horse screaming about, and that's funny to me and I'm going to rub your face in it endlessly despite camoron's best efforts to make this into a cag thread

non sequitur

[maks]

My name is Mike bushpigbushpigbushpigbushpig, and I installed Steam all by myself (with some help from the guys on the Valve forums) and that makes me an expert on Windows and operating systems in general and I am 100% qualified to say that Windows 8 is going to turn everyone into morons.

I remember when computers were for the hobbiest, back in the good old days when I had to double click install_steam.exe myself. These dipshits with their fancy metro interface aren't sophisticated enough to figure out something so incredibly complicated.

[maks]

Can you launch them from there?
Also, how'd you get to control panel without doing something that's counter-intuitive.

winkey+r, control.exe

[maks]

honestly, if you need any proof that the Windows 8 interface is inferior to Windows 7, you're a jackass

honestly if you need any proof that the new launcher is exactly the start menu but bigger, you're a jackass

[Camoron]

come cheer up my lads tis to glory we steer

[Plug Drugs]

i can do anything you can do in DOS if i have to or want to, and i didn't need to spend a few decades learning how, is that what makes you upset?

[Camoron]

to find something new in this wonderful year

[Camoron]

to honor we call you as freemen not slaves

[Plug Drugs]

honestly if you need any proof that the new launcher is exactly the start menu but bigger, you're a jackass

more steps involved in doing something = less efficiency

[always stevey]

hitting the rumchata a bit early, fag.

[Camoron]

for who are so free as the sons of the waves?

[Camoron]

hitting the rumchata a bit early, fag.

lol yeh hey ok

[Camoron]

keep calling me a fag, hag

[always stevey]

Jesus christ, you really are drunk right now. lol

[Plug Drugs]

Neither would you, you googled two solutions and they were both wrong

i didnt think you'd use the word "append" for adding a line of text to a text file, so i figured you must mean adding the contents of one file to another file -- based on the definition of the word append

[Camoron]

nope

[Camoron]

I am not drunk even one little bit.

[Camoron]

Entering good grammar mode to prove it. You're probably still drunk from last night.

[maks]

i can do anything you can do in DOS if i have to or want to, and i didn't need to spend a few decades learning how, is that what makes you upset?

No, it's that you think you're any better than every other casual user who barely knows where the on/off switch is. You're not. You don't know shit.


more steps involved in doing something = less efficiency

Windows 7
Boot Windows
Click the start menu
Click (or hover over) 'all programs'
Click the program you want

Windows 8
Boot windows
Click the program you want

[always stevey]

yeah plug drugs was afk for a few minutes... He was desperatly researching through google.

[maks]

i didnt think you'd use the word "append" for adding a line of text to a text file, so i figured you must mean adding the contents of one file to another file -- based on the definition of the word append

That's not actually what it means, though, what it means is what I said. We can add english to the list of things you're no good at I guess.

[Plug Drugs]

The GUI and the CLI both have their places, and the most effective way to use these machines is to utilize a combination of both. Anyone who only uses the GUI shouldn't go standing up on pedestals pretending to be an authority on how "smart" people use computers. He's a gigantic hypocrite.

"Windows 8 is oversimplified" is a stupid argument. If anything it's more complicated. If you're in the desktop, you have to move your mouse to a special hidden corner to bring up the control panel or shut it down. There's no button, no sign, you're supposed to just know that. One of the main reasons I recommend my customers avoid Windows 8 is because I don't want to bill them a million hours when they're calling me asking how the fuck to do anything. It's not dumbed down, it's not intuitive, it's change for the sake of change it's clunky and it's shit. Plug Drugs knows Win 8 sucks, but he's ass-backwards on the "why?" and he looks like a jackass right now.
It's over-simplified in the fact that it was designed for a touch-mouse duality, and the nature of a touch device is generally to simplify things

[Plug Drugs]

a mouse offers precision and that, from a technical standpoint, means a mouse-based OS is less simple

[Camoron]

theres a real battle of wits shpaing up here

[fanfare]

hey maks, i completely agree with you that win8 isnt 'simplified', it is the opposite.. what i meant was i think the authors of win8 were at least attempting to simplify things, but failed.

[maks]

a mouse offers precision and that, from a technical standpoint, means a mouse-based OS is less simple

it's not, though, because almost everything (except, hilariously enough, the two thins you tried to use as examples) takes extra steps or is hidden somewhere and it's not obvious how to find it. Windows 8 is going to force users to search around poking at corners or endlessly googling "where the fuck did they move that?". It's not going to lead to a new wave of casual-ass braindead know-nothing users, the only change will be that the existing ones are slightly more frustrated. The casual-ass braindead know-nothing users started showing up in 1995, and we call them "you".

[fanfare]

whoa, i made this thread. i didnt even realize that. i made it before even giving it a go in a VM, which i did last night just to see. after experiencing a slew of 0x0000000A errors (i had to enable some memory related bullshit in my host CPU's bios to get win8.1 to work in a guest virtual machine, sigh) i finally got it to 'work' and i was going to make a video review but i got so depressed just looking at it i didnt bother.

i think the point at which i felt genuine human sympathy for the downfall of microsoft, the bordering of meaningless of life, and the crumbling of our society as a whole is when i opened up 'personalize' from right clicking in the desktop and noticed that windows 8 has a few default wallpapers for you to choose from, 6 pictures in the category "flowers"...i dont know why it just made me feel terrible. and then like, is microsoft not a multi BILLION dollar company? do they really not have a single fucking relevant up to speed contemporary graphic designer to produce a handful of wallpapers that aren't straight out of 2002? its a joke like nothing else, its no reason why when they try to sell win 8.1 all they do is show people like dragging the gigangic metro tiles back and forth like 'wow look how SNAPPY it is, wow' as if the experience of you opening a program, oh im sorry, "APP" somehow is an event worthy of being some sort of enjoyable game in and of itself.

[maks]

hey maks, i completely agree with you that win8 isnt 'simplified', it is the opposite.. what i meant was i think the authors of win8 were at least attempting to simplify things, but failed.

sort of. if they just wanted to simplify it they would have hardcore ripped off the iphone, ios is about as simple as you can get, you can even talk to the damn thing. Windows 8 is just an advertisement for Windows Mobile and Windows RT, they used their position in the desktop market to "get people used to" their daffy tiles so they'd be more inclined to go out and buy the surface or the new windows phone. The whole OS is essentially one big advertisement.

[Plug Drugs]

it's not, though, because almost everything (except, hilariously enough, the two thins you tried to use as examples) takes extra steps or is hidden somewhere and it's not obvious how to find it. Windows 8 is going to force users to search around poking at corners or endlessly googling "where the fuck did they move that?". It's not going to lead to a new wave of casual-ass braindead know-nothing users, the only change will be that the existing ones are slightly more frustrated. The casual-ass braindead know-nothing users started showing up in 1995, and we call them "you".
i agree with fanfare, they tried to simplify things but failed.
But the reason I even care is because if touch GUIs are dominant in the future, it will result in a dumbing down of your average computer user.

[Plug Drugs]

i wouldn't have learned anything about DOS if i didnt have to port forward my router and set up a static IP to host warcraft 3 games back in 2003
how many touch phones have a command line interface?

anyways what i'm saying is, putting users in an environment where they're more apt to use DOS is good for the computer world as a whole

[Camoron]

cag

[Camoron]

i wouldn't have learned anything about DOS if i didnt have to port forward my router and set up a static IP to host warcraft 3 games back in 2003
how many touch phones have a command line interface?

anyways what i'm saying is, putting users in an environment where they're more apt to use DOS is good for the computer world as a whole

;p;

[Camoron]

sort of. if they just wanted to simplify it they would have hardcore ripped off the iphone, ios is about as simple as you can get, you can even talk to the damn thing. Windows 8 is just an advertisement for Windows Mobile and Windows RT, they used their position in the desktop market to "get people used to" their daffy tiles so they'd be more inclined to go out and buy the surface or the new windows phone. The whole OS is essentially one big advertisement.

lol

[Camoron]

whoa, i made this thread. i didnt even realize that. i made it before even giving it a go in a VM, which i did last night just to see. after experiencing a slew of 0x0000000A errors (i had to enable some memory related bullshit in my host CPU's bios to get win8.1 to work in a guest virtual machine, sigh) i finally got it to 'work' and i was going to make a video review but i got so depressed just looking at it i didnt bother.

i think the point at which i felt genuine human sympathy for the downfall of microsoft, the bordering of meaningless of life, and the crumbling of our society as a whole is when i opened up 'personalize' from right clicking in the desktop and noticed that windows 8 has a few default wallpapers for you to choose from, 6 pictures in the category "flowers"...i dont know why it just made me feel terrible. and then like, is microsoft not a multi BILLION dollar company? do they really not have a single fucking relevant up to speed contemporary graphic designer to produce a handful of wallpapers that aren't straight out of 2002? its a joke like nothing else, its no reason why when they try to sell win 8.1 all they do is show people like dragging the gigangic metro tiles back and forth like 'wow look how SNAPPY it is, wow' as if the experience of you opening a program, oh im sorry, "APP" somehow is an event worthy of being some sort of enjoyable game in and of itself.

lol

[Camoron]

it's not, though, because almost everything (except, hilariously enough, the two thins you tried to use as examples) takes extra steps or is hidden somewhere and it's not obvious how to find it. Windows 8 is going to force users to search around poking at corners or endlessly googling "where the fuck did they move that?". It's not going to lead to a new wave of casual-ass braindead know-nothing users, the only change will be that the existing ones are slightly more frustrated. The casual-ass braindead know-nothing users started showing up in 1995, and we call them "you".

lol

[Camoron]

ok yall :) im headin out.

[fanfare]

plug drugs, in a way, everything involves some sort of 'touch GUI'.. my fingers interact with keyboard and mouse to interact with an interface. arguing over which HID will make one 'dumber' is a moot point. there are plenty of more worrysome aspects of social media, consumption culture, etc that contribute to the dumbing down of a user.. a simplified GUI can only 'dumb down' the experience. I can still choose to act/create how I normally would given any set of input peripherals.

our attention spans are getting shorter and shorter.. that's the problem.

[Plug Drugs]

i think

[Plug Drugs]

plug drugs, in a way, everything involves some sort of 'touch GUI'.. my fingers interact with keyboard and mouse to interact with an interface. arguing over which HID will make one 'dumber' is a moot point. there are plenty of more worrysome aspects of social media, consumption culture, etc that contribute to the dumbing down of a user.. a simplified GUI can only 'dumb down' the experience. I can still choose to act/create how I normally would given any set of input peripherals.

our attention spans are getting shorter and shorter.. that's the problem.

if a person doesn't have a good understanding of what they're telling their computer to do, or what their computer is doing,
then the computer is taking the person for a ride, and not the other way around.

[Plug Drugs]

i think

[always stevey]

it's not, though, because almost everything (except, hilariously enough, the two thins you tried to use as examples) takes extra steps or is hidden somewhere and it's not obvious how to find it. Windows 8 is going to force users to search around poking at corners or endlessly googling "where the fuck did they move that?". It's not going to lead to a new wave of casual-ass braindead know-nothing users, the only change will be that the existing ones are slightly more frustrated. The casual-ass braindead know-nothing users started showing up in 1995, and we call them "you".


:rofl:

[Plug Drugs]

ah the spectators think marks is the funny guy;
at what point did i disagree with anything he said that was true?

[Plug Drugs]

windows is what we've got; if Apple was dominant, it would lead to a dumbing down of users
so either way:
- if windows dies from this, we lose
- if windows wins from this, we lose

Windows 8 is bad for the computer world all around

[maks]

how many touch phones have a command line interface?


every single android

[maks]

ah the spectators think marks is the funny guy;
at what point did i disagree with anything he said that was true?

everything I've said is true

[Plug Drugs]

its like microsoft said "awww fuck it, we're so big and our market influence is so huge, let's just crush them"

[always stevey]

You just fucking complicate the most stupid things for the sake of appearing intelligent to everyone else. Standard psuedo-intellectual.

[Plug Drugs]

everything I've said is true
everything i've said is true

[Plug Drugs]

You just fucking complicate the most stupid things for the sake of appearing intelligent to everyone else. Standard psuedo-intellectual.
or do i just simplify things?

[always stevey]

I'll simplify it for you: you're an idiot.

[maks]

everything i've said is true

nothing you've said is true and I've successfully proven it all wrong.

[Plug Drugs]

every single android
really? I havent messed around with too many smart phones, but i have an android with a broken screen that i only got to use for 3 days, and the new screen is coming in tomorrow

[Plug Drugs]

nothing you've said is true and I've successfully proven it all wrong.

no you didn't;
contrary to what you believe, finding control panel is the most counter-intuitive aspect of windows 8, and since casual users are only going to do what is immediately conveyable to them, its going to dumb them down.
Checkmate. Fuck off

[Gentleman Doli]

If you postid in this thread on the last page and ur name isnt marks or fanfare get out forever lol

[Plug Drugs]

If you postid in this thread on the last page and ur name isnt marks or fanfare get out forever lol

this is currently the last page of the thread, looks like you'll have to get out forever

[Plug Drugs]

also, i guess i should have worded it "finding control panel is one of the most counter-intuitive aspects of windows 8" as there are plenty of counter-intuitive aspects of it

[always stevey]

Doli kicking me outta the thread. cya

[Plug Drugs]

windows 8 isn't just one big advertisement, its an insult to the intelligence of computer users and an assault on the computer-using world's posterity

[Gentleman Doli]

Doli kicking me outta the thread. cya

:uzi::giggle:

[Plug Drugs]

winkey+r, control.exe

is that apparent to a casual user?

[Plug Drugs]

No, it's that you think you're any better than every other casual user who barely knows where the on/off switch is. You're not. You don't know shit.
Pot calling the kettle black




Windows 7
Boot Windows
Click the start menu
Click (or hover over) 'all programs'
Click the program you want

Windows 8
Boot windows
Click the program you want
a lot of the stuff on there by default is bloatware trying to sell you shit
you have to move icons there for new applications, which is almost the same as the old UI's desktop, except this new UI for windows 8 is trying to sell you shit

[Plug Drugs]

the windows 8 OS would only be superior for a touch-mouse hybrid device, which aren't even popular, and would only ever enjoy a mild popularity because most people are going to want to stick either exclusively to a mouse or exclusively to a touch screen depending on what sort of tasks they have planned

[Plug Drugs]

plug drugs, in a way, everything involves some sort of 'touch GUI'.. my fingers interact with keyboard and mouse to interact with an interface.
Well, a keyboard-only interface has approx 100 keys, and only that many different options for peripheral input
a mouse gives input by reporting direction,
and a touch device gives input based on a grid

[fanfare]

yes.. they are different.