alright marco and jon the constitution is depending on u

[LadyKillmonger]

lol

[Moonman]

apes is just a word we use to refer to tailless non-human primates

[Moonman]

apes isn't even a scientific word; historically it always referred to non-human tail-less primates. There's the superfamily Hominoidea which includes humans, orangutans, chimps, gorillas, etc.. Cag was at no point incorrect in saying we are not apes, but we evolved from apes.

[Moonman]

oh hey okay lets look that wikipedia article cool wait a second what's this, oh, humans arent fucking considered apes:

[Moonman]

told you from now on in this thread i'm just going to copy/paste my old posts, there is no need for me to type anything new because you just keep leading the argument in circles

[LadyKillmonger]

Learn to read moron

Hylobatidae consists of five genera and sixteen species of gibbon, including the lar gibbon and the siamang. They are commonly referred to as lesser apes.
Hominidae consists of orangutans, gorillas, chimpanzees, bonobos and humans.[1][2] Alternatively, the hominidae family are collectively described as the great apes.[3][4][5][6] There are two extant species in the orangutan genus (Pongo), two species in the gorilla genus, and a single extant species Homo sapiens in the human genus (Homo). Chimpanzees and bonobos are closely related to each other and they represent the two species in the genus Pan.

Members of the superfamily are called hominoids (not to be confused with the family of "hominids" - great apes, the subfamily of hominines, the tribe of "hominins" aka the human clade, or the subtribe of hominans).

OMG michael is a full tard

[Moonman]

you're the one posting something out of context; no where in there does it say "humans are apes". First it says hominoidae consists of chimps, orangutans, gorillas, and humans, then says hominoidae are the "great apes", it doesn't actually say humans = apes. You're the one taking something out of context. Then later in the article, it appropriately makes the distinction:

In summary, there are three common uses of the term "ape": non-biologists may not distinguish between "monkeys" and "apes", or may use "ape" for any tailless monkey or non-human hominoid, whereas biologists traditionally used the term "ape" for all non-human hominoids as shown above.

[Moonman]

you could offhandedly swoop humans into the category when talking about "great apes" and "apes" in generalities, and a biologist would know what youre talking about, but traditionally biologists refer to apes as the non-human members of hominoidea

[Moonman]

ugggh why do i have to be so smart