bob where you at?

[Lexi Persimmons]

buying a new bath robe?

[Lexi Persimmons]

nice robe wanna fuck

[blumpkin blownuts]

been at NA and hanging out with folks afterward

what does believing in god have to do with giving up drugs?

[blumpkin blownuts]

There is one thing more than anything else that will defeat us in recovery; this is an attitude of indifference or intolerance towards spiritual principles

-- from the Basic Text

good job joining a cult then

[blumpkin blownuts]

You don't have to technically believe in God, but you do have to become willing to turn over your will and life to the care of a higher power.

[blumpkin blownuts]

It is a cult in a sense, but there are no dues, and the only requirement to join is a desire to stop using.

so you're not controlling yourself, you're brainwashing yourself into believing something out there is caring for you.
sounds like you're giving up one piece of bullshit for another.

[blumpkin blownuts]

The majority of NA members are atheist/agnostic, and coming to believe that a higher power can restore us to sanity is certainly a struggle.

[blumpkin blownuts]

I've always thought God cares for me, except the few years in HS and college when I was an atheist

[blumpkin blownuts]

My self-will was what brought me to my bottom. Despite a long journey, I was unable to control my using. I simply cannot expect to stay clean on willpower alone

i hope the struggle to fool yourself works for you in the end

[blumpkin blownuts]

It's the most successful recovery program out there. And it's much more than staying clean, it's also about recognizing and dealing with what drove me to use in the first place - which I can summarize as a failure to accept life on life's terms.

i think you should have joined Est instead.

[blumpkin blownuts]

whats that?

some 70s thing where they would lock you up in a room for 20 hours and scream at you to break down your ego and make you examine yourself. still doing the same shit under a new name now.

look up "est cult" on google

[blumpkin blownuts]

oh, you mean boot camp?

[blumpkin blownuts]

The popular wave of EST began to ebb when several medical advisory boards and journals found problems with the methods. As well, it seemed that many subjects were less than thrilled with spending a weekend getting insulted and sworn at. Erhard had an opportunity to test his own methods when tough times arose. His wife divorced him, enrollment in his EST seminars declined and the Internal Revenue Service went after him for $2 million in back taxes. Whether he used his techniques or not, he landed on his feet, coming up with a new seminar strategy called “the Forum.” Apparently, when one treatment failed, try something else.

My ego is already in shambles and has been since youth

"the Forum"

[blumpkin blownuts]

That kindof shit could turn me 5150 real quick. The only reason I didn't bomb my middle school is because I didn't know how to make bombs until high school and by that time I was too big for people to wanna fuck with me

"the Forum"

didn't work for loopy lisa

[blumpkin blownuts]

Lisa has a major intolerance towards spiritual principles, and is entirely unable to surrender her self will, or surrender anything for that matter

is the NA chick letting you bang her yet?

[blumpkin blownuts]

I just met her tonight man. I like to take it slow, she won't be getting in my jock until we've been dating at least a month, probably longer since I just came off a relapse and am in a vulnerable emotional state

she could move on to someone else in the NA group in a month
too bad

[blumpkin blownuts]

I'm well worth waiting for; if she's unable to, then God's will be done - she wasn't meant for me.
Besides, she doesn't seem like the type to bounce around, but time will tell.

[maks]

m0nde is delightfully sheltered to not know that 12 step programs are pseudo religions...