And i dont like social media by the way, and i only just started playing minecraft on my computer
What i actually spend most of my time doing on the internet is rambling like im doing right now
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And i dont like social media by the way, and i only just started playing minecraft on my computer
What i actually spend most of my time doing on the internet is rambling like im doing right now
I know how permissions work by the way, we used to mess around with them in highschool
One of my friends had a message pop up on every computer in the school saying "mwahahaha, bow down tot he almighty timothy"
why did you even comment if nothing you have to say is relevantQuote:
Originally Posted by Plug Drugs
I'm of the belief that if you let your office employees have full control over their computer, theyll get their work done more efficiently as well as take pride in their work.
Most office employees arent going to abuse that control.
Just ask google, that philosophy of management works great
Plus, if an employee has that control and gets to know their computer well, they will be less likely tog et viruses, and be able tofix Them when they do get them
I'm of the belief that you have no idea what you're talking about and rarely do
okay let's look at this for a second:Quote:
Originally Posted by maks
Google - the most powerful company in the world - its employees are given total control over the computers they work on and have no restrictions imposed on them by the IT guy - management trusts them to be responsible, and this philosophy works to their advantage as it generates creative thinking.
Other Office Companies - heavily restrict what a worker is allowed to do on their computer - stuck in a perpetual corporate panic attack - due to the monotonous nature of the tasks they perform on their computer, the rate they can complete those tasks slows down and becomes excruciating
If you let office workers be their own boss over their computer, they prioritize tasks intuitively and not only get things done faster, but also come up with new approaches when solving problems and figure out ways to cut corners.
If you give employees the freedom to do things their own way, they'll put passion into their work.
This wouldn't put you out of work or anything like that marks, it would actually make your job easier; you'd have smaller team sizes and therefore less possibility of someone getting a virus. If people always remember to back up their work in multiple ways, work is never lost. Worst case scenario, you do a fresh install of windows for someone and reinstall the essential software; with modern hardware, this would only take like 20 minutes. As long as their project is backed up, there are no drawbacks to this.
It would only be problematic for the book-keepers and those in charge of managing company finances; you'd definitely want things to be more secure for those computers.
I'm trying to help IT workers like you marks; there would be more office-environment companies starting up, and more IT positions opening up. Higher demand, higher pay for you. It would also be cheaper for the companies because they'd have less employees - when you have less employees but give them more control over how they do their job, they get more work done in less amount of time. This wouldn't put office workers out of business, because like I said, there'd be more office-environment companies turning up.
this sentence by itself is so laughably untrue that it invalidates everything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plug Drugs
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Originally Posted by plug drugs
All of that is part of an economic transition that's basically going to happen; it can't not happen - either people transition to this on their own, or the economy crashes and we have to transition anyways.
What's going to happen is corporations will start to become much more region-based, with less multinational conglomerates. It's just a result of an increasing North American population; higher population density means that international super-corporations like walmart or mcdonalds will have less of a potential for profit compared to region-specific corporations.
no it's notQuote:
Originally Posted by maks
stop thinking 'my job is to keep things as difficult as possible' and start thinking willy wonka and the chocolate factory
my job is to ensure stability and enable productivity reimaging everyone's machine once a week is the opposite of both those things
believe it or not office people do more than play minecraft and go on facebook, they're not sitting there reading about nietzche and chomsky on wikipedia, they are working in applications that the company bought and provided to them and they rarely if ever need any software outside of the scope of their job
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Originally Posted by plug drugs
you've reached a ceiling effect though with 'stability and productivity', you're inadvertently preventing people from developing habits which would optimize stability and productivity on their ownQuote:
Originally Posted by maks
I'm not saying make her an admin, I'm saying allow her to organize her computer in a way that works best for her
you know a standard user can't write outside of their profile right you should we just talked about it a few minutes ago
And if she's got nothing else to do at the moment and feels like playing solitaire or something, who gives a shit; having entertainment during downtime puts workers in a better mood, and hence it increases productivity
Social media could be problematic I suppose; some people would feel too entitled to just talk on facebook 90% of the time and would act like you're inconveniencing them when you ask them to actually do some work.
Most people, if they actually enjoy their job and are given the freedom to be creative, aren't ever going to abuse their freedom though (given that they actually have something to do and are never being pressured to always be doing something).
And anyways, with smart phones nowadays, you're never going to totally stop people from going on facebook and whatever when they shouldn't.
Besides that, there are legitimate reasons someone might need to go on facebook during work: they might need to ask their husband/wife to pick up their kid from school; they might need to look up a phone number that is only listed on facebook; etc..
Again, you should stop thinking 'my job is to keep things as difficult as possible'
are you suggesting I change the permissions for the root of C: so everyone can make directories there
I don't need to prove that this philosophy works because Google Inc. tested it out and already proved it for me.
If they feel they have a reason that making a new directory in C: would somehow be more efficient for them, why stop them?Quote:
Originally Posted by maks
Are there multiple people using the same computer, or user profiles accessible on multiple computers or something? I suppose I understand where you're coming from then, but in a cubicle setting where everyone is using the same computer every day, why not allow them to be the admin of their own computer, or at least give them some of the same permissions as an admin, so they can do things in their own way?Quote:
Originally Posted by maks
yeah there's no possibility that you took the one sentence from the article that confirmed your preconceived notions and ignored the rest of what is no doubt a large and complex IT policy/infrastructureQuote:
Originally Posted by Plug Drugs
why don't I let them print out their emails and fax them to each other instead of hitting the reply button if they believe it would be somehow more efficient for themQuote:
Originally Posted by Plug Drugs
Also, I'm not suggesting you suddenly let everyone in the office have unrestricted control over their computer, because let's face it, people can be idiots.
But with smaller team sizes, if you just let people get to know their computer, they won't do dumb things as much
please stop. i don't even knw why max is talking to you rationally wihthout simply telling yo to shut the fuck up
I think the smaller offices and branches of google are still slightly following your traditional nazi office management model, if only out of habit and tradition, but google headquarters are considered one of the most laid back offices in the worldQuote:
Originally Posted by maks
In certain cases, that might just for some reason be appropriate to do; sometimes people need a physical copy of something for whatever reason. E-mails can also be a pain in the ass, like if an email is accidentally deleted, or if something needs a more detailed verbal explanation - if a person were to hand them a physical copy of the letter, they'd be able to answer any questions as well as give additional informationQuote:
why don't I let them print out their emails and fax them to each other instead of hitting the reply button if they believe it would be somehow more efficient for them
what's your problemQuote:
Originally Posted by m0nde
it's just painful watching you regurgitate the same rubbish again and again with no clue how any of it applies in the real world in a way this is laboriously long winded
m0nde I think you just look at a post and assume what is being said before even reading it; using your imagination to fill in the blanks like that just holds me to my negative reputation, which I don't care about so you can save it
It's philosophy and lateral thinking as a means of problem solving.Quote:
Originally Posted by m0nde
Do we have problems in society? Check.
Does the workplace suck and have a lot of negative aspects that could easily be resolved just by taking a new approach to things? Yes.
At the end of the day, life is what you make it. If you settle for a shitty work environment, that's what you're going to get.
If I have to spend 40-80 hours a week somewhere for years, they better have already streamlined their model for management so I don't lose my fucking mind.
you're assuming something that i haven't read your rubbish. this time i did and i admit, i usually scroll past everything you write. you believe you know google's it poslicies from reading one article (probably watching a 15 minute thing about them) and have no idea how individual parts of their corporation work - none of what you said would at all be useful to anything but their app development sector. this whole discussion began discussing security and you are talking utter bullshit talking about giving everyone administrator access. yes withon the confines of some structure put in place for a certain reason - most importantly to facilitate productivity - there has to be some system put in place which will always put limitations on what a person can do.
the bigger your operation for manageablility if not anything else you have to impose more and more structure. if you're a 2 man operation you can do whatever the fuck you want. when i managed 1500 servers at 700 restaurants with all of their little payment screens and kitchen printers, restaurant lighting and music systems, kitchen display screens, printers and payment systems, etc. there were rules that had to be imposed for all of it to be manageable for the people who worked with it at the restaurant on a day to day basis and for those of us at the network operations center pushing changes (yeah through push gravity) and fixing problems remotely.
when working with this shit at the restaurants and the computers at the airports and the computers at our office buildings we had to have shit set up the same way everywhere with certain images for certain things because it would have been a mess if it was left up to each person.
i've worked in situations where i've had to deal with a 5 man office, 20 man office, graphics studio, lawyer's office, doctor's office, etc. and they are ALL different and have different security and accessibilitiy needs
what you're talking about is either utter naive or moot at best or outright wrong (which you usually are).
yeah go work at mckinsey and co then plugdrugs you'd be a great coprorate troubleshooter because you know exactly what you're talking about and you know that it applies to everything in all situationsQuote:
Originally Posted by Plug Drugs
there's no need to undersand engineering companies and how they're differeent and the same as a hospital. no need to understand logistics and supply chain management and how its applicable to an airport as opposed to a restaurant.
oh we're just alking about the computer systems involved here and how people use them at each step, not even what's being done and what common practices or iso standards or pci standards are requeiredd for someone to do business with you
nope give the guy admin access on his symbol scanner and on his coroporate laptop and let him root his corporate phone. now pay me for telling you this
Well yeah I mean I've never worked for google and yeah all I did was read a few articles about their model for management.Quote:
Originally Posted by m0nde
You do know more than me about this line of business, so point taken; no need to get hostile though.
I did mention in an earlier post that parts of the company that have to manage finances need tight security; but yeah, like you said, development teams should be granted all the privileges they want or need. Pretty much everyone else too, even medical clinics.
Do you know how simplistic and restricting the software is that doctors use when prescribing medication is? Doctors basically aren't allowed to reach conclusions on their own anymore because the computer hasn't indexed any alternative diagnoses aside from ones that big pharm companies provided. It's more than just a little embarrassing that software written by some guy without a whole lot of review by medical professionals before being implemented is bossing around a doctor who went to school for 8 years
Network security is there to combat viruses and hackers, but it seems that the reason people write viruses or hack into networks is actually because we live in a society where everything is overly restricted. Have you ever heard of the notion that expectations will dictate reality? Simply by expecting foul play and preparing for it ultimately gives people the drive for foul play in the first place.
Imagine though having an office computer that would back up files in 3 different ways: cloud, the computer's own hard drive, and a flash drive. Then, if for whatever reason software or files become corrupt, just do a fresh install of the operating system and reinstall the software quick -- with processors and RAM as fast as they are these days, it'd take literally a few minutes. Then, have the server automatically set all of the computer's network settings back to what they need to be.
There's really no reason for keeping everything as tight as a nun's asshole.
again youre talking shit. please sgtopQuote:
Originally Posted by Plug Drugs
And marks said it was indeed a development team he was managing a server for
I don't think I amQuote:
Originally Posted by m0nde