hm... you beleve in god? [chuckles] I believe ... in flying spaghetti monster [smriks until smirk covers entire face]. By the way I am a very prolific poster on the YTMNSFw Forums, I'm known as the "Zany" one there.
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hm... you beleve in god? [chuckles] I believe ... in flying spaghetti monster [smriks until smirk covers entire face]. By the way I am a very prolific poster on the YTMNSFw Forums, I'm known as the "Zany" one there.
im playing your game. if you wanna spoil it, then post where it was copied from.Quote:
Originally Posted by xoxo
i didn't copypaste anything, so i'm hoping you'll find someone whom i've never read wrote this before me. it could be quite an ego stroke
no the necessity of your mind to posit a prime mover results from your mind's failure to concieve of infinity and eternity which if you continue to "up" questions in philosophy you must ultimately reach and be unable to answerQuote:
Originally Posted by blumpkin blownuts
if at any stage you liken the universe to a man made machine or need to posit a prime mover or god in your conceptions then you have failed in "upping" your philosophical questions
you see infinity falls in on itself when we try to concieve of it and so many who cannot properly concieve of infinity must posit a prime mover... however this is only a backstep and backpeddle in your philosophy because it still begs the question of what is the "prime mover" ... because if nothing moved the prime mover and nothing was before the prime mover then the prime mover is infinate and so therefore cannot even be a prime mover
I personally claim that God was present long before humanity. I can't prove it though.
What I can consistently prove, is that God, sure as shit, has existed since man became self-aware.
tldr thread summary please
blownuts is arguing that you can philosphically prove the existence of God, I am arguing that you cannot and that it is a fundamental flaw in philisophical logicQuote:
Originally Posted by Gentleman Doli
That involves a huge workup with alot of empeirical and technical constructs, and I'm not sure you have the technical acumen to process my thesis. And if you could prove that you did, what gain I from you to make this worth my time?
I'd prefer you reach your spiritual connection when the city bus has just crushed your lower legs and still moving 80kmh.
I believe in a unverse, and super universe and super super universe and so on... I believe in infinity and do not believe in a prime moverQuote:
Originally Posted by blumpkin blownuts
I believe in macro and micro infinity
if there was ever a definate point of beginning or end then things could not move at all
buddhism has no need of a prime mover
so you'd be wrong to think all religions need one
Define "prime mover", before I give you my definition. You're getting lost in a detail or trying to say I'm claiming something I never did. If we find this bottle-neck is due to your poor reading comprehension, then this game ends IMMEDIATELY.
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if at any stage you liken the universe to a man made machine or need to posit a prime mover or god in your conceptions then you have failed in "upping" your philosophical questions
In a physical machine, the prime mover is moderated by the input Force (aka the excitation) to the initial driving element, e.g. a water wheel, a lightning bolt, an automotive starter assy. the prime mover is then the piece that transfers, at a predictable level, Force to all attached components of the machine.
God is not a prime mover. God is related via it's own extension, Mind, to the input phase of an existential machine, or even a modern machine.
Think: UserInput:Mind::EngineControls:Force
for example some say that mass cannot be infinite because if space and mass are both infinite then the mass would take up all the space... this again is a failure in the concept of infinity
I can explain this by using an analogy (as much as I hate analogies as they are cop out BUT...) if I had a piece of string that went for infinity and every 1 cm along that piece of sting I tied a knot, the string would still go for infinity, there would be an infinte amount of knots and and still an infinite amount of space in between those knots
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Well a "prime mover" is a concept/THEORY in physics.... everything that is is in motion in the universe it in motion from being moved by another object... some theorists need to posit a "prime mover" as the idea that this movement is infinite is too much for their earthly bound physist mind to conceieve ofQuote:
Originally Posted by blumpkin blownuts
it's all about potential and kinetic energy and shit however a "prime mover" really doesn't solve this conundrum in physics, is a mere theory and cannot be proven... it is also not even necessary to many a mind to have to posit for movement in the universe
and so some in philosophy have adopted the THEORY of a prime mover as "proof" of a god... it does not prove a god and it does not even necessarily exist
also the fact that energy never dies, it just changes form is sometimes used as philosophical proof of god
however I believe it can also be proof that there is in fact no prime mover
simple fact of the matter is there is no proof
what about volume?Quote:
Originally Posted by xoxo
suppose space and mass both are infinite, mass is still less than space in any differential frame of the universe
space and mass are indeterminate, but not necessarily infinite
only time is infinite. and space, and matter, are tangential functions of time (e.g. we have been here before, we will soon leave, and much later we will all be here again)
but there's room for "infinite" knots and "infinite" string. they simply have slightly different determinations of infinityQuote:
I can explain this by using an analogy (as much as I hate analogies as they are cop out BUT...) if I had a piece of string that went for infinity and every 1 cm along that piece of sting I tied a knot, the string would still go for infinity, there would be an infinte amount of knots and and still an infinite amount of space in between those knots
YES!Quote:
Originally Posted by blumpkin blownuts
I just came in my pants a little
i'm starting small with closed machines.Quote:
Originally Posted by xoxo
in a machine the prime mover is the plant of Force. On a bicycle, the prime mover is the pedal blade which turns the chain, which turn the wheels. The prime mover's excitation is your feet pushing the pedals.
*lights smoke*
yeah I know what a prime mover is
it's something that doesn't exist is what ;P
for the first time ever you're posing me a true-blue challenge, and not something you plan to sabotauge with circular logic or playing dumb. my brain needs time to sink heat, brb
yeah and if you get it right you will not have an answer
*blows smoke rings*
it exists in any machine. dynamos, flywheels, pendulums, combustion motors, pumps and many more equipment can be prime movers in a machineQuote:
Originally Posted by xoxo
battle of the addicts
the energy that starts the prime mover in a machine still comes from somewhere else and technically that could be called the prime mover and so on adn so on until you reach the big blow-out (perviously known as the big bang) of our universe at which point you still need to ask what is the prime mover of the big blow-out... see where I'm goingQuote:
Originally Posted by blumpkin blownuts
for example on the bike, the legs move the peddle, our body moves our legs our body moves through energy gotten elsewhere, either through food or being moved by another object.......
I am penis man.
i'm afraid of the answer. it's not yet time for me to know this muchQuote:
Originally Posted by xoxo
HURRAY!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gentleman Doli
none of us know this muchQuote:
Originally Posted by blumpkin blownuts
you've reached a high point in philosophy
The prime mover is inertial in nature. It must incur an excitation source to perform mechanical work.Quote:
Originally Posted by xoxo
The excitation source is natural Force
I would expect that some people have, but they didn't have the strength AND capacity to handle the revelation. They killed themselves, or are medicated into near catatonia.Quote:
Originally Posted by xoxo
but there is nothing in nature that is intertial, nothing at allQuote:
Originally Posted by blumpkin blownuts
well it's true there is always someone smarter than usQuote:
Originally Posted by blumpkin blownuts
however they would have simply reached this point quicker than what it takes us to
all the government has to do to convince people not to do drugs is to show them this thread
but yes you can often find geniuses in mental asylums or lying dead in a pool of their own blood after killing themselves... or locked up and writing on the wall in their own feces, or being exiled, hanged etc.....
That's not the point. Force acts on machine to do the work it is deigned.
God and Mind act on random sources (manpower, natural events) to provide excitation to the mover.
More importantly, God deigns Mind to commit human input to the machine in order to effect the work product.
LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by cbarry
there you go again having to posit a god to solve your conumdrum of physics and it still doesn't even solve itQuote:
Originally Posted by blumpkin blownuts
Mind tells you what to do to the handlebars. The prime mover chain still rotates, unless Mind tells you to use the brakes, which in turn stops the mover and temporarily kills the machine.