Obligatory Monthly Plug Drug's Philosophical Ramblings Thread

One thing that concerns me is, will existence ever be endangered by too many particles being created, or perhaps too few?? What if every Higg's boson at the start of a particular universe fails to generate matter, ending the cycle of eternal recurrence?

why dont you guys jsut get back on skype lmao nobody cares

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what if there are other universes being created all the time, maybe even an infinate amount of them comming into being or inflating, they include all possibilities, have different physical properties all due to chance, but as there is an infinate amount of them the universe as we know it, with the exact properties as we know it had to occur, and is actually occuring an infinate number of times, but there are other possibilities and universes that exist, some may contain properties that make them implode on themselves and reignite and others do not, ours does not, but throughout the infinate universes all possibilities that could occur under all possible properties a universe could have DO occur. But in our universe the exact properties of our universe do not allow for it to collapse again? What then?

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That's the thing though, I don't think there could be a universe with properties that far different from our own, because the physical constants are not values which could have been anything different than what they are, they are innate - and I think they are all derived from the speed of light anyways..

How much can universes vary when it comes to their initial conditions? Maybe depending on how much matter is in a universe, it can either inflate exponentially, linearly, or inflate then retract... I'm going to have to look up the math again on how they came to the conclusion that the matter in the universe is accelerating exponentially, maybe I can figure out whether or not it could have been different for another universe.

guys just get on skype and kiss and make up

Well, wikipedia is saying that the main explanation proposed for an accelerating universe is the nature of dark energy in that it tends to spread out fairly homogenously in space. Which would mean that as the universe expands, the dark energy in the universe thins out, leaving a thinner medium that becomes increasingly easier for matter to travel through. So that makes me wonder, will it necessarily ever thin out to the point that matter reaches the speed of light and annihilates itself?
That is very interesting, because it would mean that with dark energy stretched that thin, all matter would travel through space with such ease that any amount of kinetic energy and a particle would immediately be traveling at light speed.

It's starting to sound in my head a lot like what I was saying earlier, about the laws of physics themselves starting to break down once the universe reaches the age where particle annihilation due to acceleration occurs

That's it; once dark energy is stretched that thin, particles begin annihilating themselves, producing Higg's bosons which decay into particles that immediately annihilate themselves, over and over, and it's complete chaos. It might be such an energetic phenomenon that it literally rips apart spacetime, wiping the board clean for the next big bang

I'm reading more about it now, and no one knows. It depends on the density of dark matter - whether its density is a constant, it gets less dense, or gets more dense with time. Doesn't look like anyone's been able to figure out any concrete math on dark energy's density at this point in time.

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i disagree

The properties of this universe are by chance and not at all necessary, in fact if there were other universes you would most definately find ones where say matter never condensed, universes without matter, without gravity as we know it, the possibilities are endless but in a scenario where there are many even infinate number of universes created it is even necessary that there are some so alien to this one, ones where even matter wasn't produced. In fact it is very easy to concieve of how a universe could be created and never condsense to form matter and even that would not be as different to our own universe as other possibilities.

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Where are these other universes though? Are they physically outside the boundaries of our universe, but we just haven't collided with another universe yet? Are they in alternate dimensions? Are they perhaps permanently separate from us such that we could never interact with them in any way, but they exist nonetheless?
That's almost straying into the more philsophical: the void, the chaos, there is everything and nothing, all possibility. What if our very existence is 'just' a virtual possibility, and isn't even actually happening? It's just chaos telling a story that changes and shifts at its own whim.

It's thoughts like these that make me start to think that all there is in the universe is "mind", and everything else is a projection. That's when shit starts getting creepy and I can no longer differentiate between a chaotic system and my own will affecting its outcome; I see a flag blowing in the wind and it'll start blowing in whichever direction I believe it to blow. Creepy, drug induced, terrifying.. just have to shut it out when I get to that point.

*sigh* thinking about physics while on drugs always concludes with solipsism for me, and malaise from how utterly terrifying solipsism is

and I can't ever tell if its what I've been thinking about causing the malaise, or just the drugs affecting my brain chemistry and mood causing the feeling of malaise, or if there's even a difference. Maybe I am slowly sinking into malaise as it is, and my brain tries to make a coherent story to go along with that transition in mood.
What came first? The chicken or the egg?

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It's not just that but how a particle reacts to travelling through that dark energy actually determines what that particle actually is. I do not think mass can travel at the speed of light... "The same theory says that objects gain mass as they speed up, and that speeding up requires energy. The more mass, the more energy is required. By the time an object reached the speed of light, Einstein calculated, its mass would be infinite, and so would the amount of energy required to increase its speed. To go beyond the infinite is impossible.
So for mass to actually travel at the speed of light it would have to have zero rest mass (light has zero rest mass which is why it is the universal speed limit) so no I do not think mass as we know it could travel AT the speed of light. Close to at best but never AT it. It would have to be something other than matter (as we know it in this universe) for it to travel as fast as or faster than the speed of light.

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But with the model of an accelerating universe, it's going to happen -- at some point on that exponential curve, the speed of the matter expanding will surpass the speed of light; of course the matter will annihilate itself right before it reaches the speed of light though. And if dark energy's density decreasing is what's causing the universe to accelerate, then it means that the particles aren't picking up more energy causing them to accelerate (which would make them more massive), but rather they travel greater distances from the same kinetic energy they already had.

fagggots

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Oh FFS
Stop taking drugs.

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it was just my prescribed dosage, it has to start wearing off some time

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For the matter to move THROUGH space as fast as or faster than the speed of light would require to use up more than all the energy in the whole universe, so it can't really happen.

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This is the biggest pile of bullshit I've ever seen. I hope you weren't a science teacher.

yeah just havent done it in a while so it grabbed me by the balls

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well no bubble, because it is not the matter itself that is accelerating but rather the "space" between, the dark energy, so it might be possible for it to APPEAR that a galaxy is moving away faster than the speed of light but in fact it isn't the galaxy that is moving that fast, it is the "space" between them that is inflating at an accelerating rate, if it were to APPEAR that it was moving away from us faster than the speed of light we would cease to be able to observe it anyway. For the matter to move THROUGH space as fast as or faster than the speed of light would require to use up more than all the energy in the whole universe, so it can't really happen. Matter itself could not travel that fast, the "space" between it could POSSIBLY.

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i've gone cross-eyed

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At least I know Plug Drugs will be able to grasp that.

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I grasped it but I don't know how accurate it is :shrug:

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No it's not a pile of shit you simpleton. It's a concept that is accepted in physics.

I'm in the top 1% for science so don't even bother going there with me half-wit, look it up.

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It takes near infinite energy to accelerate to the speed of light. If you're already travelling 99% of light speed then accelerating to 100% wouldn't take any more energy than accelerating to 1% would.

Dumbass.

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Wrong.

In so many ways you fucking retard, you don't even know what we are talking about. You look like an idiot.

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You spent 4 pages discussing this and I came in and gave you the answer in a single post. I can understand why you're mad.

I'll be right back, going to jump in the shower. You still going to be up for a while?

this whole thread made me want to shoot myself

didn't read anything

Plug drucks how many dicks would you suck for my personal stash

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http://www.universetoday.com/13808/h...peed-of-light/

Idiots.

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fyi when they say "You could use up all the energy in the Universe and still not be traveling at light speed." they're talking about accelerating to the speed of light from 0m/s. Dumbass.

a baby killing drug abusing alien from AU

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Plug drucks how many dicks would you suck for my personal stash

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http://www.universetoday.com/13808/h...peed-of-light/

Idiots.

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Yeah okay I see what you're saying now. If a galaxy is moving in one direction at 51% the speed of light, and another galaxy is moving in the exact opposite direction at 51% the speed of light, then light between those two galaxies will never reach each other, and it could seem as though the other galaxy were moving faster than the speed of light..

What I was saying though is that the speed at which matter is moving outwards from the point of the big bang is increasing exponentially. At a certain point on the X axis of that exponential curve, it will have surpassed 300,000km/s -- unless for some unknown reason it were to suddenly plateau before then and all of our calculations are wrong

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I fucking hope not.

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What? =(
be right back

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You aren't even talking about the same thing we are you dipshit nor have you even pointed out anything I said that was wrong.

You look pretty damn stupid to me.

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you said it takes infinite energy to travel the speed of light. That's wrong, it takes near infinite energy to accelerate to the speed of light. Looks like someone doesn't understand the difference between acceleration and velocity.

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No I never said that you try-hard dipshit.

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For the matter to move THROUGH space as fast as or faster than the speed of light would require to use up more than all the energy in the whole universe, so it can't really happen.

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thanks for putting Lisa in a bad mood marks.

my brains burnt out on physics now

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Nah he's just making himself look like an idiot.

Stupid people are always somewhat frustrating.

Maks isbeside the point. Did you understand what I was trying to explain yet why the matter itself will not travel faster than the speed of light even if it appears it is?

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yeah

wish i had a guitar to play right now

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thanks for putting Lisa in a bad mood marks.

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she shouldn't say idiotic things if she doesn't want to be corrected

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But I explained it with an elastic band.

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no i understand what you were saying, I'm just burnt out on talking about physics for now

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i didnt paste anything from anything; this is one of my hobbies - to take speed and try solve the mysteries of the universe without the equipment or the education to even begin to do so. Because its fun

*my prescribed dose of speed, i might add, ahem

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is that what you think i'm doing?
here's some news for you: every time someone starts talking about something you don't understand, it doesn't mean they're trying to boast or show off. All this physics stuff is stuff i've read about for years and years, and it's fun to think about and try and make my own conclusions about it, that's it
i'm not reciting something i just read about trying to claim it as my own, i'm not copy pasting; it's just drug-induced rambling about physics or philosophy or psychology or pharmacology or whatever it might be

Dr Dumbfuck and an australan teacher who locks herself in her basement discusss, debate, and argue the finer oopoints of string theory

codey gets involved here somewhere too, which isnt surprising because codey, like this thread and the majortiy of the people who have posted in it, really raelly sucks