I'm guessing DDR3 3000 is the speed so
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I'm guessing DDR3 3000 is the speed so
oh yeah I checked that earlier so yeah it's either $1600 or $800, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...PC3%2024000%29
that's the only two choices, death to america
all i heard was
I'm starting to think NO ONE knows what the newest stuff is, not even nvidia or intel
NOW YOU KNOW TOO MUCHQuote:
Originally Posted by steveyos
You should have listened to maks, he worked with different computers including overpriced hardwares than myself
ffs doing some research for you stevey..
the i7 has hyperthreading which games do not use, and having it there when you dont need it actually slows performance, so you want to go with an i5 if you're gaming.
ivy bridge can't be overclocked as much as sandy bridge, but ivy bridge is about 5% more powerful than sandy bridge at the same clock speed.
So i guess my advice wouldnt be much different than marks' advice; find the video card you want, and build everything else around it, and keep the information above in mind when picking a processor.
Do you plan on overclocking your processor? How are you going to keep your system cooled? Do you want a fancy case? etc etc
it would seem that I know more than mostQuote:
Originally Posted by Plug Drugs
this is what I was waiting for, marks doesn't give me a single link or recommendation and elz tells me to listen to marks, this is what I live for elz as usual does not disappointQuote:
Originally Posted by juji
idk who told you i7's aren't for gaming but they were lying to youQuote:
Originally Posted by Plug Drugs
all.... I want..... is...... to know what the newest...... parts.... are........ idk why......... nobody........ can tell... me.......
I'm guessing http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121724 is the card I want I still don't fucking know if there's anything newer and better though I'd start there if god could just give me a sign from heaven telling me if that is the newest card or if there's something both cheaper and newer I'm literally going to kill myself
plug drugs I appreciate your help if you want to help but you have to understand I need the best of everything including hard drive, and I think this is the tower I want http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811147157 I'm gonna stick with air cooling because it's 60F in my room
Don't read to Plug Drugs because he pretends to be a smart-ass and never tested to high end computers, only he cares about the high quality drugs while there are illegal chemical recipes could damage health.
However, you should buy this for less than $ 1,300 it's recommended by world class hardcore gamers.
http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/C...er_Black_Pearl
http://computers.toptenreviews.com/g...rl-review.html
it's my understanding that nothing out there can even take advantage of the i7's full capabilities, and what is out there right now is better tuned for the i5... But the i7 is most likely going to be a better investment; but who knows? It could be crap in the future
its always going to be a gamble, no one can tell you what the "best" is, because it all depends
Also change to NVIDIA GeForce GTX 760 4GB 16X
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/326220-28-gamingQuote:
I5 2500K is the unofficial gold standard for a Gaming Rig CPU and even it when OCed is overkill for just gaming. There is really little difference between i7 2500K and i5 2500K other than money wasted between the two and HT on the i7 which games don't use anyway. From what I have seen in some game benchmarks the i5 2500K out does the i7 2500K all others are a wash funny enough but really the i5 2500K is a Cadillac stop thinking you might get more from an i7 cause all you will get more of is a lighter wallet.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/34...e-sandy-bridgeQuote:
Ivy Bridge CPUs are about 5% more powerful than Sandy Bridge CPUs at the same clock speed.
i7 CPUs have Hyper Threading which games do not use. Benchmarks have shown that HT actually reduces game performance by 1% or 2% on average, so if you do not use any programs that can take advantage of HT, then buying a Core i7 CPU is not worth it.
Ivy Bridge CPUs do not overclock as well as Sandy Bridge CPUs. IB CPUs generally maxes out at 4.5GHz while Sandy Bridge can go as little further at about 4.8GHz to 5.0GHz. It varies from CPU to CPU and very good cooling is required.
IB CPUs generally consume about 15w - 20w less less power than SB CPUs under load.
IB CPUs have either the Intel HD 2500 / HD 4000 graphic core vs. the Intel HD 2000 / HD 3000 graphic core. For a gaming rig the integrate graphic core doesn't make much difference.
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/...ure-games.htmlQuote:
That is correct, but by the time there is a noticeable difference between i5 and i7 even the i7's on the market today may be kinda old
see I can't explain to elz that second life is the equivalent of running metro last light 50 times over on max settings but you can understand that, because you can communicate to other humans, so I think what I'm gonna do is stick with the stuff I posted on page 1 but I need to change the hard drive
"I don't think there are many games currently available on the market that can really make use of the i7's full capabilities."
second life
I'm also going to be doing video editing and all sorts of things so the extra whatevers in the i7 work for that, I mean if the i5 is better htan the i7 why is it cheaper
so as of right now, it has been the contention of the PC community for the past year and a half or so, that an i5 is better for gaming until the games of the future are able to take advantage of hyperthreading, and even when they do, the current I7s may or may not be obsolete by then
does second life use hyperthreading?Quote:
Originally Posted by steveyos
no but what about the other things I do
research whatever programs you plan on using to see if they use hyper-threadingQuote:
Originally Posted by steveyos
i.e., google "does ________________ use hyperthreading?"
For games, hyperthreading is of no benefit on quad core chips. Dual core i5s and i3s probably do benefit.
Hyperthreading is also of no benefit in general use, as all modern CPUs are already fast enough. The one exception to this is if you are an extreme multitasker and have many apps demanding the CPU's attention simultaneously.
Hyperthreading earns its spurs in video editing, where you will get about a 20% performance improvement.
I like to have 50 things open while playing second life including video editing so it would seem I need the hyperthreading
plus like I"ve been saying I want the best stuff available that's what I'm trying to get at here I want to spend $3600 on this not a penny less I want the best, the newest, the best and the newest and the best
plus I mean look at those reviews http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...scrollFullInfo
the i7 is technically superior, if the software being used can take advantage of it; if it can't however, there is a small dent in performanceQuote:
Originally Posted by steveyos
then get an i7, but be warned, it may be obsolete in the near future, as they're already getting kinda old.Quote:
Originally Posted by steveyos
i'm pretty sure i read somewhere that haswell is crap for overclocking, and sandy bridge or ivy bridge will outperform haswell when overclocked and cooled correctlyQuote:
Originally Posted by steveyos
so the i5's are newer? it's like the geforces where a 300 is newer and better than my 9800?
I think the fucking motherboards I have on page one aren't even that good, I think I regret not throwing my current desktop out and quitting the internet
I would prefer something that doesn't need overclocking since it's super new and already super fast and already runs everything you throw at it for the next five years so it wouldn't really matter since if by then I'm still poor it'll only be because I"m deadQuote:
Originally Posted by Plug Drugs
Cool your jets: Overclockers must pay toll to play on Haswell highway
http://arstechnica.com/information-t...swell-highway/
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Intel has taken back the gift of "free” overclocking that it gave hardware tweakers when introducing its Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge processor lines. Geoff Gasior at The Tech Report writes that has Intel confirmed it will lock down the ability on the company's new Haswell generation of CPUs. Users will lose much of the ability to run all but the more-expensive K-series of Haswell CPUs faster than their rated clock frequency in the hope of squeezing more performance out of the processor.
Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge processors allowed for overclocking across their whole lines—not by a huge amount, but by enough to squeeze an extra 400 MHz of compute cycle out of them on the “standard” CPUs. Overclocking could achieve even more on the K-series versions.
An Intel representative told Gasior that since the standard Haswell processors are targeted for business and consumer applications “where overclocking is generally not performed,” access to the additional base clock straps of the Haswell processor are disabled in all but the K-series processors. Those run $20 to $30 more than the standard processors. (There is still a “turbo” multiplier mode available to boost performance of the CPU itself, however.)
basically, with haswell, they threw out the hard-core computer user's ability to overclock their processor so that the processor will be more powerful by default for your average casual ninny.
that's your choice then; i personally would get a cheap i5 sandy bridge and use the money saved to cool it and overclock the fuck out of itQuote:
Originally Posted by steveyos
"access to the additional base clock straps of the Haswell processor are disabled in all but the K-series processors."
so if I get a K-series doesn't that mean I not only get a newer better cpu but it can also be overclocked like everything else if by some chance in five years I don't want to just buy a new computer?
right now i'm rockin a 3 year old AMD phenom II x4
it was cheap, it was new at the time, it still holds up to today's standards, and the thing dominates and i love AMD
yeah but the processor is probably designed to never be overclocked, so, who knowsQuote:
Originally Posted by steveyos
do more research
you know what, with a budget of more than $3000, go for it
you'd only be saving like 100 dollars by getting an i5 instead
Plug Drugs is like flagerchat of computers, literally researching of hardware products on google
i personally like to do as much as i can with as little money as possible, so i'd personally try to get an i5, cool it, overclock it, because to me 100 dollars might make the difference between being able to afford another part or not
where else are you researching these things, honestlyQuote:
Originally Posted by juji
yeah but you can't run second life in ultra that's the whole point even if you can run metro last light maxed on one monitor and edit hd 100gb videos on the other that you recorded of you playing metro last light in fraps you still can't run second life maxed