Software Idea for Plug drugs

And if she's got nothing else to do at the moment and feels like playing solitaire or something, who gives a shit; having entertainment during downtime puts workers in a better mood, and hence it increases productivity

Social media could be problematic I suppose; some people would feel too entitled to just talk on facebook 90% of the time and would act like you're inconveniencing them when you ask them to actually do some work.
Most people, if they actually enjoy their job and are given the freedom to be creative, aren't ever going to abuse their freedom though (given that they actually have something to do and are never being pressured to always be doing something).

And anyways, with smart phones nowadays, you're never going to totally stop people from going on facebook and whatever when they shouldn't.

Besides that, there are legitimate reasons someone might need to go on facebook during work: they might need to ask their husband/wife to pick up their kid from school; they might need to look up a phone number that is only listed on facebook; etc..

Again, you should stop thinking 'my job is to keep things as difficult as possible'

are you suggesting I change the permissions for the root of C: so everyone can make directories there

I don't need to prove that this philosophy works because Google Inc. tested it out and already proved it for me.

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Originally Posted by maks

are you suggesting I change the permissions for the root of C: so everyone can make directories there

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If they feel they have a reason that making a new directory in C: would somehow be more efficient for them, why stop them?

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Originally Posted by maks

you know a standard user can't write outside of their profile right you should we just talked about it a few minutes ago

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Are there multiple people using the same computer, or user profiles accessible on multiple computers or something? I suppose I understand where you're coming from then, but in a cubicle setting where everyone is using the same computer every day, why not allow them to be the admin of their own computer, or at least give them some of the same permissions as an admin, so they can do things in their own way?

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Originally Posted by Plug Drugs

I don't need to prove that this philosophy works because Google Inc. tested it out and already proved it for me.

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yeah there's no possibility that you took the one sentence from the article that confirmed your preconceived notions and ignored the rest of what is no doubt a large and complex IT policy/infrastructure

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Originally Posted by Plug Drugs

If they feel they have a reason that making a new directory in C: would somehow be more efficient for them, why stop them?

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why don't I let them print out their emails and fax them to each other instead of hitting the reply button if they believe it would be somehow more efficient for them

Also, I'm not suggesting you suddenly let everyone in the office have unrestricted control over their computer, because let's face it, people can be idiots.
But with smaller team sizes, if you just let people get to know their computer, they won't do dumb things as much

please stop. i don't even knw why max is talking to you rationally wihthout simply telling yo to shut the fuck up

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Originally Posted by maks

yeah there's no possibility that you took the one sentence from the article that confirmed your preconceived notions and ignored the rest of what is no doubt a large and complex IT policy/infrastructure

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I think the smaller offices and branches of google are still slightly following your traditional nazi office management model, if only out of habit and tradition, but google headquarters are considered one of the most laid back offices in the world

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why don't I let them print out their emails and fax them to each other instead of hitting the reply button if they believe it would be somehow more efficient for them

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In certain cases, that might just for some reason be appropriate to do; sometimes people need a physical copy of something for whatever reason. E-mails can also be a pain in the ass, like if an email is accidentally deleted, or if something needs a more detailed verbal explanation - if a person were to hand them a physical copy of the letter, they'd be able to answer any questions as well as give additional information

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Originally Posted by m0nde

please stop. i don't even knw why max is talking to you rationally wihthout simply telling yo to shut the fuck up

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what's your problem

it's just painful watching you regurgitate the same rubbish again and again with no clue how any of it applies in the real world in a way this is laboriously long winded

m0nde I think you just look at a post and assume what is being said before even reading it; using your imagination to fill in the blanks like that just holds me to my negative reputation, which I don't care about so you can save it

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Originally Posted by m0nde

it's just painful watching you regurgitate the same rubbish again and again with no clue how any of it applies in the real world in a way this is laboriously long winded

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It's philosophy and lateral thinking as a means of problem solving.
Do we have problems in society? Check.
Does the workplace suck and have a lot of negative aspects that could easily be resolved just by taking a new approach to things? Yes.

At the end of the day, life is what you make it. If you settle for a shitty work environment, that's what you're going to get.
If I have to spend 40-80 hours a week somewhere for years, they better have already streamlined their model for management so I don't lose my fucking mind.

you're assuming something that i haven't read your rubbish. this time i did and i admit, i usually scroll past everything you write. you believe you know google's it poslicies from reading one article (probably watching a 15 minute thing about them) and have no idea how individual parts of their corporation work - none of what you said would at all be useful to anything but their app development sector. this whole discussion began discussing security and you are talking utter bullshit talking about giving everyone administrator access. yes withon the confines of some structure put in place for a certain reason - most importantly to facilitate productivity - there has to be some system put in place which will always put limitations on what a person can do.
the bigger your operation for manageablility if not anything else you have to impose more and more structure. if you're a 2 man operation you can do whatever the fuck you want. when i managed 1500 servers at 700 restaurants with all of their little payment screens and kitchen printers, restaurant lighting and music systems, kitchen display screens, printers and payment systems, etc. there were rules that had to be imposed for all of it to be manageable for the people who worked with it at the restaurant on a day to day basis and for those of us at the network operations center pushing changes (yeah through push gravity) and fixing problems remotely.
when working with this shit at the restaurants and the computers at the airports and the computers at our office buildings we had to have shit set up the same way everywhere with certain images for certain things because it would have been a mess if it was left up to each person.
i've worked in situations where i've had to deal with a 5 man office, 20 man office, graphics studio, lawyer's office, doctor's office, etc. and they are ALL different and have different security and accessibilitiy needs
what you're talking about is either utter naive or moot at best or outright wrong (which you usually are).

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Originally Posted by Plug Drugs

It's philosophy and lateral thinking as a means of problem solving.
Do we have problems in society? Check.
Does the workplace suck and have a lot of negative aspects that could easily be resolved just by taking a new approach to things? Yes.

At the end of the day, life is what you make it. If you settle for a shitty work environment, that's what you're going to get.
If I have to spend 40-80 hours a week somewhere for years, they better have already streamlined their model for management so I don't lose my fucking mind.

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yeah go work at mckinsey and co then plugdrugs you'd be a great coprorate troubleshooter because you know exactly what you're talking about and you know that it applies to everything in all situations
there's no need to undersand engineering companies and how they're differeent and the same as a hospital. no need to understand logistics and supply chain management and how its applicable to an airport as opposed to a restaurant.
oh we're just alking about the computer systems involved here and how people use them at each step, not even what's being done and what common practices or iso standards or pci standards are requeiredd for someone to do business with you

nope give the guy admin access on his symbol scanner and on his coroporate laptop and let him root his corporate phone. now pay me for telling you this

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Originally Posted by m0nde

you're assuming something that i haven't read your rubbish. this time i did and i admit, i usually scroll past everything you write. you believe you know google's it poslicies from reading one article (probably watching a 15 minute thing about them) and have no idea how individual parts of their corporation work - none of what you said would at all be useful to anything but their app development sector. this whole discussion began discussing security and you are talking utter bullshit talking about giving everyone administrator access. yes withon the confines of some structure put in place for a certain reason - most importantly to facilitate productivity - there has to be some system put in place which will always put limitations on what a person can do.
the bigger your operation for manageablility if not anything else you have to impose more and more structure. if you're a 2 man operation you can do whatever the fuck you want. when i managed 1500 servers at 700 restaurants with all of their little payment screens and kitchen printers, restaurant lighting and music systems, kitchen display screens, printers and payment systems, etc. there were rules that had to be imposed for all of it to be manageable for the people who worked with it at the restaurant on a day to day basis and for those of us at the network operations center pushing changes (yeah through push gravity) and fixing problems remotely.
when working with this shit at the restaurants and the computers at the airports and the computers at our office buildings we had to have shit set up the same way everywhere with certain images for certain things because it would have been a mess if it was left up to each person.
i've worked in situations where i've had to deal with a 5 man office, 20 man office, graphics studio, lawyer's office, doctor's office, etc. and they are ALL different and have different security and accessibilitiy needs
what you're talking about is either utter naive or moot at best or outright wrong (which you usually are).

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Well yeah I mean I've never worked for google and yeah all I did was read a few articles about their model for management.
You do know more than me about this line of business, so point taken; no need to get hostile though.

I did mention in an earlier post that parts of the company that have to manage finances need tight security; but yeah, like you said, development teams should be granted all the privileges they want or need. Pretty much everyone else too, even medical clinics.
Do you know how simplistic and restricting the software is that doctors use when prescribing medication is? Doctors basically aren't allowed to reach conclusions on their own anymore because the computer hasn't indexed any alternative diagnoses aside from ones that big pharm companies provided. It's more than just a little embarrassing that software written by some guy without a whole lot of review by medical professionals before being implemented is bossing around a doctor who went to school for 8 years

Network security is there to combat viruses and hackers, but it seems that the reason people write viruses or hack into networks is actually because we live in a society where everything is overly restricted. Have you ever heard of the notion that expectations will dictate reality? Simply by expecting foul play and preparing for it ultimately gives people the drive for foul play in the first place.
Imagine though having an office computer that would back up files in 3 different ways: cloud, the computer's own hard drive, and a flash drive. Then, if for whatever reason software or files become corrupt, just do a fresh install of the operating system and reinstall the software quick -- with processors and RAM as fast as they are these days, it'd take literally a few minutes. Then, have the server automatically set all of the computer's network settings back to what they need to be.

There's really no reason for keeping everything as tight as a nun's asshole.

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Originally Posted by Plug Drugs

Doctors basically aren't allowed to reach conclusions on their own anymore because the computer hasn't indexed any alternative diagnoses aside from ones that big pharm companies provided. It's more than just a little embarrassing that software written by some guy without a whole lot of review by medical professionals before being implemented is bossing around a doctor who went to school for 8 years

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again youre talking shit. please sgtop

And marks said it was indeed a development team he was managing a server for

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Originally Posted by m0nde

again youre talking shit. please sgtop

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I don't think I am

wait, you were quoting what I said about doctors. I am entirely right about that actually.
Doctors can't prescribe specific doses of medication or meds for off-label uses outside of what the software allows; the software makes it a hassle to do so - it was written by a 3rd party which the company owns the clinic hired, and it was designed with money, not the health of the patients, in mind. Most of the information the software developer used as a basis when writing it up was provided by pharmaceutical companies, not medical literature.

And it's all because IT guys and software developers restricted what people can or can not do on their computers.

They need to re-envision how doctors prescribe medication and look up information -- but that would basically require the government to step in and start bossing around hospitals and clinics and kicking out pharmaceutical lobbyists.

Doctors and hospitals should never need a pharmaceutical company to lobby and promote a drug; appropriate medication should be prescribed based on medical literature, not a pharmaceutical corporation's recommendation.

it may make it a hassle to prrescribe outside doses, but it can. i've set up shit like this, so please stop,. there are leagal issues that the doctor is worried about far more than any idealistic, romantic idea of a money grab you're concerned about. you're right that the software is VERY VERY restricting and i know many doctors who refuse to use it and they're allowed to, though they have to document what they do in some other way and have someone put it into the computer.
i've dealt with this in both the united states and canada where have you implemented it?

Worst of all, the people writing bills to put any sort of plan to fix things into action are either:
A) agenda driven
B) terrible writers

I'm hoping that the medical system gets an overhaul soon, or is in the works right now, and doesn't make it worse.

The whole ebola thing might have been a blessing in disguise, because it gave the government permission to bust in the door of the hospitals and cuss out all the bad little boys and girls who've been fucking shit up

this is all great, but it ends up rhetorical and philosophical and ultimately a religious discussion about doctrine. why not go out into the real world and affect change, plugdrugs and then come back with your discoveries and tales of how you changed the world with your wikipedia reading.
you're not stupid, by any means. go for it.

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Originally Posted by Plug Drugs

And marks said it was indeed a development team he was managing a server for

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no, it was front office, which is secretaries sales people and marketing. the developers have admin access, because it's necessary, but they're also explicitly isolated from everything but the source control servers and on a separate NAT and a thousand other precautions that you wouldn't understand if I explained them to you


I don;'t manage "a" server, I manage 60 of them

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Originally Posted by m0nde

it's just painful watching you regurgitate the same rubbish again and again with no clue how any of it applies in the real world in a way this is laboriously long winded

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Originally Posted by m0nde

it may make it a hassle to prrescribe outside doses, but it can.

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Yes, it CAN, but no one ever does
Accurate dosing would take things like body mass index and metabolism into consideration, and medications would be available with smaller increments between the next dose up.

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i've set up shit like this, so please stop,. there are leagal issues that the doctor is worried about far more than any idealistic, romantic idea of a money grab you're concerned about.

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On the contrary, medical malpractice often results from doctors just blindly prescribing things because the software let them do it.. at least it used to, I think they've been cleaning up their act a lot lately.

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you're right that the software is VERY VERY restricting and i know many doctors who refuse to use it and they're allowed to, though they have to document what they do in some other way and have someone put it into the computer.
i've dealt with this in both the united states and canada where have you implemented it?

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I agree with you and it is a very complex issue, and I guess no one group of people should be held responsible for faults in the system, I take back what I said earlier about developers being responsible