WE HAVE A RIGHT TO PAY RETARDEDLY HIGH TAXES FOR SOMETHING WE WILL SELDOM USE! -CanadaQuote:
Originally Posted by m0nde
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WE HAVE A RIGHT TO PAY RETARDEDLY HIGH TAXES FOR SOMETHING WE WILL SELDOM USE! -CanadaQuote:
Originally Posted by m0nde
you really think the taxes are that high here?
you think that it's not offset by the fact that you can't even go to the dentist, doctor or get medication when you like?
one thing that's hilarious is that the aging population in the US does get free healthcare with medicare and they're paying zero taxes to support it
but people like marks have no access to it and are supporting these people
no tax hike is needed, just take even 5% of the military budget and move it to health care to provide some basic coverage for everyone else.
It's not about controlling your money, it's about preventing you from FUCKING UP the federal election system with it. Separation of Church and State used to mean something (and should again) but what about Separation of Corporation and State? Why is it such a controversial stance to say that we shouldn't allow enormous amounts of money given with a very obvious agenda to corrupt our political system?Quote:
Originally Posted by maks
They are only destructive to people's feelings. Congressman Tim Holden recently brought forward a bill to allow animal waste dumping in Chesapeake Bay. Soon after he received 16,000 dollars in campaign contributions from various agricultural PACs. This is real destruction.Quote:
The KKK, the neonazis, and the westboro baptist church are irresponsible and destructive. they're also constitutionally protected. They have to be, because we're not just giving lip service to free speech like the european and canadian hypocrites, we actually have it.
All it is is lying to the public by obfuscation and omission. You're right, people should look into things more deeply, but that doesn't excuse what is happening. You say people are okay with it, but they aren't, clearly here I am ion the intenret bitching about it and plenty of others are too, so dont get angry as fuck at them when they try to change things.Quote:
we'd need honest politicians, which is why it's never going to happen. campaign contributions buy exposure, not votes. The people are still ion control of the electoral process, if they are too dense to look any further than the attack ads on TV then they're getting the government they deserve, and I'm fine with that.
I can go to the dentist, doctor, or get medication when I like, I don't even have to wait weeks on end for a slot to open up. In fact, if I have a toothache, I can probably see a dentist tomorrow. It'll cost me a couple hundred dollars, but that's about what you're paying every month for your 13% sales tax on food whether you see a dentist or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by m0nde
13% sales tax is close to what some states pay in the US. for instance, arizona and illinois pay 11.something %
and health care here doesn't involve standing in line at all. the national health care works like any insurance plan
there are private hospitals and there is private insurance here too.
You're right, medicaid is a problem. I don't understand why you believe that expanding it would make it less of a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by m0nde
We should cut the military by way more than 5%, and rather than blowing it on some other needless bullshit we should lower taxes or fund some of the programs that are already in place. You mentioned the 50's as when our quality of life started going downhill, interesting that the 50's right around the time when it suddenly became our job to defend the entire western hemisphere. I wonder how much higher your taxes would be if you had to fund your own military?Quote:
no tax hike is needed, just take even 5% of the military budget and move it to health care to provide some basic coverage for everyone else.
As far as I know not a single state pays sales tax on food. Connecticut doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by m0nde
absolutely false
go look it up
tbh I would be all for repealing "obamacare" if I thought it would be replaced with something better
most of the people dont like it, but most of the people also want SOME form of healthcare
of course if the republicans repealed it they'd just leave it alone and we'd go back to having nothing which is definitely worse than something
the funny thing is that obamacare is basically what the republicans suggested back in the 90s when Hilary was trying to get a national healthcare movement going
food includes restaurant food and groceries and several states do ahve sales tax for that
funniest thing is that the shitty southern states have some of the highest sales taxes
a lot of states do. tennessee, arkansas, missouri for sure do. montana has no sales tax and has a high income tax but tn has no income tax and high sales.Quote:
Originally Posted by maks
fuck obamacare, the plan they ended up with is bullshitQuote:
Originally Posted by Camoron
the us can offer to all of its citizens what it offers it's government employees and the military
anything less is a joke
Twenty-nine states and the District of Columbia exempt most food purchased for consumption at home from the state sales tax. New Mexico is the state that most recently eliminated its sales tax on food.
Five states tax groceries at lower rates than other goods; they are Illinois, Missouri, Tennessee, Virginia, and West Virginia. A sixth state, Utah, will reduce its sales tax on groceries effective January 1, 2007.
Six states — Hawaii, Idaho, Kansas, Oklahoma, South Dakota, and Wyoming — tax groceries fully but offer credits or rebates offsetting some of the taxes paid on food by some portions of the population. These credits or rebates usually are set at a flat amount per family member. The amounts and eligibility rules vary, but may be too narrow and/or insufficient to give eligible households full relief from sales taxes paid on food purchases.
Five states continue to apply their sales tax fully to food purchased for home consumption without providing any offsetting relief for low- and moderate-income families. They are Alabama, Arkansas, Mississippi, South Carolina, and (until January 1, 2007) Utah....
i find it funny that the five states that tax groceries fully with no relief at all are some of the poorest states in the country
ya, the shitty southern states have weird tax policies
yeah I'm not exactly sure how buying someone a TV commercial is fucking up the federal election system. Sounds to me like the real issue here is with voters who give a fuck about fancy expensive commercials and bus tours instead of issues. Idiots, basically. I don't care if each candidate only had a budget of $5, idiots are still going to make stupid descisons in the voting booth it's like a law of nature.Quote:
Originally Posted by Camoron
You're blaming the campaign contributions for a decision he made before he received them?Quote:
They are only destructive to people's feelings. Congressman Tim Holden recently brought forward a bill to allow animal waste dumping in Chesapeake Bay. Soon after he received 16,000 dollars in campaign contributions from various agricultural PACs. This is real destruction.
I said -I'm- ok with it. I have to be, because it's not going to change. Getting all militantly upset about the way the world works is only going to get pepper sprayed. Fact is, idiots are the majority and in a democracy that means the idiots are in control. No amount of campaign finance reform is going to change that, you cxould spend years removing corporate dollars from the campaigns and in the end we're still going to have a congress full of asswipes. Sounds like a gigantic waste of time to me.Quote:
All it is is lying to the public by obfuscation and omission. You're right, people should look into things more deeply, but that doesn't excuse what is happening. You say people are okay with it, but they aren't, clearly here I am ion the intenret bitching about it and plenty of others are too, so dont get angry as fuck at them when they try to change things.
For tax purposes you're not purchasing food at a restaurant, you're purchasing service. So I was wrong about states with sales tax, fine, sucks to be them. CT doesn't, and I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that we do not have a federal sales tax so shove it.Quote:
Originally Posted by m0nde
um, one thing i'm going to say... i'm working on a minor in political science with plans to go to law school to study constitutional law, and i'm 110% sure that the constitution does NOT say anywhere "separation of church and state", in fact, it just says that the government shall not ESTABLISH a religion. for example: middle eastern countries have ESTABLISHED the country's religion as islam, and basically non-muslims can gtfo. or like when the constitution was written, the king or queen of england used to establish religions, like the anglican church.
:) ok, done. i'm trying so hard to stay out of this.
It's still better than nothingQuote:
Originally Posted by m0nde
I don't like having to buy insurance and it's really stupid that poor people who probably need it the most are able to opt out of paying for it because they're too fucking poor (but I guess they get medicaid so whatever?)
but yeah, i like some of the guarantees and more strict enforcement of insurance claims it brings
at least now I can finally get health insurance, if only because I have no choice not to :shrug:
and while I may be paying for it out of pocket, I won't be paying for it in taxes so whatever, it will all work out and most people will have shitty bare minimum coverage with huge deductibles
but again, better than suddenly getting cancer and not having or being able to get any insurance and paying for everything otu of pocket
as for the poor southern states, I saw a video with a toothless hick bitching about Obama and liberals trying to institute socialized medicine and then when he was asked if it was okay to take away his EBT card, medicaid and social security he got really angry and went all Charlton Heston "you'll have to pry it from my cold dead hands" type of shit
you realize you could have purchased medical coverage at any time since you turned 18 right it's not like obama invented insurance he just forced you to buy itQuote:
Originally Posted by Camoron
no, it actually says "congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" which means it shouldn't be legislating religion one way or the other and staying completely neutral.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramen
people in the US have no fucking clue what socialist crap they already have and cling to. it's very strange.
Once again I'll point out that your plan to rectify this is "America needs more socialist crap"Quote:
Originally Posted by m0nde
eh, i was paraphrasing but we all get the idea. i didn't feel like going all serious and getting out my constitution, which i actally have a few copies of...Quote:
Originally Posted by maks
hahahahaha, a political science major fucking up some Very veRY basic ideas about religion in teh constitution?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramen
1st of all, everything at the time of drafting the constitution was about christianity and about various sects of christianity. no one had ideas about muslims in america or some fuckers creating their own religion.
they just wanted to make sure some guy wasn't persecuted for practicing a religion, so they tried to separate it completely from government and unlike european countries decided not to tax churches.
missed the pointQuote:
Originally Posted by maks
It says the government shall make no law respecting an establishment of religionQuote:
Originally Posted by Ramen
Thomas Jefferson coined the term separation of church and state, and in 1878 the Supreme Court found that the Constitution indeed is not clear in what it means by this, and so they went to the writings of Thomas Jefferson and James Madison who were the architects of religious liberty so as to ascertain the spirit of the law. This is when the phrase "separation of church and state" took hold and it has effectively been upheld since then in matters of religious involvement in government and religious symbols, etc. on public property.
yeah, it just wasn't worth it to meQuote:
Originally Posted by maks
but I don't really have much choice now so whatever
barry's thread getting some SERIOUS replies!!
that's not paraphrasing, it's changing the wording to make it support your positionQuote:
Originally Posted by Ramen
I did, why don't you explain why adding more socialist crap would solve the "There's too much socialist crap in the US" problemQuote:
Originally Posted by m0nde
You admit that your choice was taken away from you, and that you're being forced to buy something that isn't worth it to you, but you're in favor of it? You're brainwashed, brah. There's no two ways about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Camoron
I am not in favor of it for my personal situation, I am saying I don't MIND it for my personal situation. I have actually found some pretty affordable plans.Quote:
Originally Posted by maks
I am in favor of it vs. not having it as a whole for the country
I am not only thinking of myself
marks is right about being forced to buy insurance. it's bullshit. that plan is some serious garbage and just served to show obama for who he really is, some guy who is way too out to please people quickly than have teeth and get stuff done.
he should have left it to hilary.
i dont think he was saying its a problemQuote:
Originally Posted by maks
you realize that the system you have is essentially the same thing except there's only one insurance company, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by m0nde
that's why i said he missed the point. i was answering something you said, camoron about the nigger clinging to his social security but being too stupid to understand that it was socialism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Camoron
maks single handedly won this political debate! bravo!! now go back to being an obnoxious, hateful douchebag because i don't like all this respect i'm developing for you from your political views.
as i said earlier, there are multiple private insurance companies here, but you're guaranteed coverage here without any hassles.Quote:
Originally Posted by maks
some poorer shittier countries in latin america or africa even pay for foreign nationals medical bills, no questions asked
in canada they don't do that
you should have him lecture for your "political science" degree, ramen
You shouldn't respect me, you're a textbook bumper sticker conservative mouthpiece who has no idea what she's talking about, your opinions aren't even yours you're just parroting rush limbaugh's talking points. I have no more in common with you than I do the OWS protestors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramen