How come Italy used to be the center of the civilized world,

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Originally Posted by Gentleman Doli

Youre stupid the moors invaded sicily in the late 9th century idiot

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yeah they also controlled parts of southern italy so even the argument that they didnt invade the italian mainland is incorrect

this is why sicilians and southern guidos have black hair (this may or may not be entirely true but i remember it from a movie where a guy kept yelling at a mobster that he had nigger blood and he was getting raged)

also irish were raped by vikings and got red hair

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Originally Posted by elezzzark

*removing camoron on my steam due to useless and inactivity, needs to be clean*

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I am on steam 24/7 jerk

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Originally Posted by elezzzark

Clay is dumber and alcoholic dork than nerds

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chillax latino clay babysits the baby nerd pak shit teh aint easy brosephina

and yaeh I need to be clean, i am not dirty like you smegmadick

jk

i didn't remove you from list, lol

So obviously Doli, Feudalism had its roots in the Roman Empire

feudalism can be really broadly defined and it probably goes back a lot further than that though unless you just mean specifically European feudalism of the middle ages

why dont you just let me make Doli's own points with slightly different wording and watch as he argues against himself

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Originally Posted by Camoron

feudalism can be really broadly defined and it probably goes back a lot further than that though unless you just mean specifically European feudalism of the middle ages

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yeah pretty much it seems like plug is trying to play semantics or something i dont understand

Ancient roman uses slavery

Fedualism uses easement

japan had feudalism

the mythical land in mount & blade too

log off baby nerds and go play something of worth :skyrm:

http://youtu.be/OfI5jC3qXZY

japanese feudalism is too complex than european feudalism, merchants were considered lowest class than peasants

its not the undisputed word of truth, but if you go to the respective wikipedia pages and click on the little [1] and [2], it takes you to sources written by actual historians, several pages of which i posted here on this very page. try to keep up kid

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Originally Posted by Plug Drugs

The term feudalism is recent, first appearing in French in 1823, Italian in 1827, English in 1839, and in German in the second half of the nineteenth century.[14] It derived from "feodal" which was used in seventeenth-century French legal treatises (1614)[15][16] and translated into English legal treatises as "feodal government". In the 18th century Adam Smith popularized the forms "feudal government" and "feudal system" in his book Wealth of Nations (1776).[14] In the 19th century the adjective "feudal" (i.e. "the feudal government") evolved into a noun: feudalism.[14]

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what does this have to do with anything

Cleatrly, Feudalism was invented by the monarchs of the Bourbon restoration after the napoleanic wars.

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Originally Posted by Plug Drugs

The collapse of central governing authority in the West meant that regional authorities were left to govern their various areas - most often military commanders, the strongest of whom were also immigrant barbarian federate kings. With no more central bureaucracy, Roman cities shrank or disappeared entirely and society reverted to a more "natural" rural agricultural base. Wealth was measured in land rather than money. There was also little role for learned civilian administrators outside of the church, so the landholding aristocracy focused on military service to maintain their status. The kings, in turn, tended to reward these loyal warriors with land.

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even though the person who wrote this is most likely a retard, you do realize this supports my point and not yours right

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Originally Posted by Camoron

japan had feudalism

the mythical land in mount & blade too

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lol i have over 100 hours logged in that game

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Originally Posted by Plug Drugs

why dont you just let me make Doli's own points with slightly different wording and watch as he argues against himself

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cool puppet master, youv relaly pulled back the curtain except you havent been doing that at all

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Originally Posted by Gentleman Doli

lol i have over 100 hours logged in that game

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Do you have mount & blade: warband?

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Originally Posted by Gentleman Doli

even though the person who wrote this is most likely a retard, you do realize this supports my point and not yours right

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remind me, what were the points

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Originally Posted by elezzzark

Do you have mount & blade: warband?

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yes

doli whats your steam ID

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Originally Posted by Gentleman Doli

yes

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Try to install Prophesy of Pendor, you will like it a lot

Maybe we will play online

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Originally Posted by Plug Drugs

remind me, what were the points

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i said feudalism had its roots among the "barbarians" more or less as an off-handed comment that i expected to be taken at face value because it's true and then you went off on some weird tangent about how actually it comes from rome (i assume youre trying to relate it to the patron-client system of rome when actually this influenced italian dynamics but not european feudalism in the slightest).

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Originally Posted by elezzzark

Try to install Prophesy of Pendor, you will like it a lot

Maybe we will play online

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i have that its hard

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Originally Posted by Camoron

doli whats your steam ID

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generaldoli

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Originally Posted by Gentleman Doli

i have that its hard

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You shouldn't to face against biggest groups and elven warriors. Try to organize your group aganist balanced group.

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Originally Posted by Plug Drugs

remind me, what were the points

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Five of them all in NYC

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Originally Posted by Gentleman Doli

Youre stupid the moors invaded sicily in the late 9th century idiot

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sicily is not italy

topical huge image test
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...,_ca._1896.jpg

only thing ive learned reading thsi thread is that i dont want to study history

test test test

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Originally Posted by clay

sicily is not italy

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emirate_of_Bari :)

Helo. My name is clay. ;] ;] ;] \ ;] ;]

1.) The Emirate of Bari was a short-lived Saracen state (emirate) centred on the south Italian
2.) Saracen was a term used by the ancient Romans to refer to a people who lived in desert areas in and around the Roman province of Arabia
3.) Arabia Petraea, also called Provincia Arabia or simply Arabia, was a frontier province of the Roman Empire beginning in the 2nd century; it consisted of the former Nabataean kingdom in modern Jordan, southern modern Syria, the Sinai Peninsula and northwestern Saudi Arabia.

how stupid are you

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Originally Posted by Gentleman Doli

Youre stupid the moors invaded sicily in the late 9th century idiot

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seriously, how stupid

http://i.imgur.com/gx8yS.png

At the dynasty's greatest expanse of control

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moors#M...Southern_Italy

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Originally Posted by clay

http://i.imgur.com/gx8yS.png

At the dynasty's greatest expanse of control

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The Almoravids were , exclusively, the Moors, and you arent an idiot arguing semantics

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Originally Posted by clay

1.) The Emirate of Bari was a short-lived Saracen state (emirate) centred on the south Italian
2.) Saracen was a term used by the ancient Romans to refer to a people who lived in desert areas in and around the Roman province of Arabia
3.) Arabia Petraea, also called Provincia Arabia or simply Arabia, was a frontier province of the Roman Empire beginning in the 2nd century; it consisted of the former Nabataean kingdom in modern Jordan, southern modern Syria, the Sinai Peninsula and northwestern Saudi Arabia.

how stupid are you



seriously, how stupid

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http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/...523863/Saracen