me playing guitar (don't act like you're not impressed)

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of course they do you live in virginia. call me crazy but I'm gonna go ahead and guess that lynard skynard probably does really well in those polls too.

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both are fantastic bands i dont see your point lol

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Originally Posted by rootbeer

both are fantastic bands i dont see your point lol

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my point is they're both much bigger in the south and a radio station poll in virgina in no way means that ccr is bigger than the beatles. don't get emotional about this, I'm not saying anything positive or negative about their talents, just comparing their popularity and influence.

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my point is they're both much bigger in the south and a radio station poll in virgina in no way means that ccr is bigger than the beatles. don't get emotional about this, I'm not saying anything positive or negative about their talents, just comparing their popularity and influence.

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if you try to insult ccr again im going to get very emotional

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That they would have sounded like the beach boys is a bit of a stretch, george harrison was way more psychedelic than lennon they just never let him write anything. in terms of success though, they would have been right there with the beach boys you're right about taht.

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I honestly don't know enough about the Beatles to say anything more
All I know is when I google a song I like by the Beatles, turns out it was written by John Lennon
When I google a song I think is shit by the Beatles, turns out it was written by McCartney

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They have a sound that appeals to stoners. It has nothing to do with the image the band puts out per say, more like the image reflected back onto them by their audience.

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So our difference in how we define "image" is that you view "image" as what is public interpretation, where as I view "image" as something that comes along inherently in the music, before the public has even listened to it

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maynard has been cultivating an image of "guy who's way too cool to be a rock star" for over a decade. the stuff you mentioned isn't any deeper or more meaningful than what marilyn manson does, it's all theatrics it's all just food for the posers.

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I think Tool's "image" (in the way you define it) is completely skewed and it doesn't reflect their music very well. When I first listened to Tool, I thought they were a bunch of "heavy rock" bozos who were just trying to sound bad ass intentionally.
Then as they grew on me, I started listening to the music a little more closely and started thinking "holy shit, these guys have talent that not many other bands have". There is a deeper philosophical mindset hidden in Tool's music that doesn't show up at all in the band's image. They put on an image only secondary, "because they have to", because its expected of a rock band, hence why Danny wears a sports jersey on stage despite their music being the complete opposite of "jock music".
What Tool should do is sell their records without any album covers, song names, and have no public appearance at all. They've got something in their music that is beyond what a normal rock band can get across, at least that's how I feel anyways.

if I were trying to act way too cool to be a rock star I would have thought of something cooler than a sport's jersey

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Originally Posted by Cody

You spelled it wrong.

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ccr's better anyway

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Originally Posted by Plug Drugs

I honestly don't know enough about the Beatles to say anything more
All I know is when I google a song I like by the Beatles, turns out it was written by John Lennon
When I google a song I think is shit by the Beatles, turns out it was written by McCartney

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When I google a song I think is shit by the beatles turns out it was written by ringo

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Originally Posted by rootbeer

if you try to insult ccr again im going to get very emotional

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I love ccr but if I could go back in time and kill them and it meant that kid rock would never exist I would totally do that

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Originally Posted by Plug Drugs

I think Tool's "image" (in the way you define it) is completely skewed and it doesn't reflect their music very well. When I first listened to Tool, I thought they were a bunch of "heavy rock" bozos who were just trying to sound bad ass intentionally.
Then as they grew on me, I started listening to the music a little more closely and started thinking "holy shit, these guys have talent that not many other bands have". There is a deeper philosophical mindset hidden in Tool's music that doesn't show up at all in the band's image. They put on an image only secondary, "because they have to", because its expected of a rock band, hence why Danny wears a sports jersey on stage despite their music being the complete opposite of "jock music".

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If they were all about the music you wouldn't know their names. They want to be celebrities. There's nothing wrong with that.

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if I were trying to act way too cool to be a rock star I would have thought of something cooler than a sport's jersey

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Hardcore drinking the kool-aid on this one

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Originally Posted by Cody

I dunno about better, but not as overplayed, skynyrd is a bit overplayed in these here mountains.

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subjectively, imo, etc. I personally would rather listen to CCR how's that.

classic rock station: where we play free bird every 30 minutes lol

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Originally Posted by Gentleman Doli

classic rock station: where we play free bird every 30 minutes lol

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THE ROCK, 106.9 WCCC. Connecticut's ONLY rock station. That was "Hotel California", coming up next we've got "Freebird", followed by more Freebird and some Hotel California. Then we're gonna play Freebird.

i usually hear black dog or ramble on more often which are way more annoying songs

what classic rock stations really need to do is discover a rush song that isn't tom sawyer

in fact only one track down on the same cd is 'red barchetta' which is a way better song and one that everybody isn't sick of yet

I've never heard working man on the radio ever in my life, in fact the first time I ever heard that song it was the dream theater cover of it and that just kind of ruined it for me

also I know I'm the one who brought them up but do not get me started on dream theater unless you want this thread to go 20 pages

Dream Theater should have an "Up our own asses" contest with Tool, REM, and Radiohead

Is it weird that I love Rush and Queensryche but hate a band that alternates between trying really hard to be Rush and trying really hard to be Queensryche?

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Originally Posted by Cody

Yeah and then their album sales will reflect the same as another indy band.

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Is that why even the more famous artists can only dream of having Tool's number of record sales?
Even though Tool gets played on the radio considerably less than other artists

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Originally Posted by maks

Dream Theater should have an "Up our own asses" contest with Tool, REM, and Radiohead

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it's interesting to me that a you think a band that tries as hard as they can as human beings not to be up their own asses, is up their own ass

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I've never heard working man on the radio ever in my life, in fact the first time I ever heard that song it was the dream theater cover of it and that just kind of ruined it for me

also I know I'm the one who brought them up but do not get me started on dream theater unless you want this thread to go 20 pages

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i've never even listened to them but my friend goes on and on about them

hmmm just tried listening to some dream theater on youtube..
i actually don't want to listen to any more of it for fear that it may ruin my taste in music and skill as a guitar player,
it sounds like what me and my friends come up with improvising on the guitar when we think "what would sound cool to other people and sound like we possess complexity?"
i guarantee they are just building together bits and pieces of riffs they heard other bands play, and constructing them in a way that sounds original

then again, a lot of megadeth sounds like that: filler placed inbetween the good riffs that was made up based on whatever their muscle memory was for hitting frets with their fingers. Aka noise

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tries as hard as they can as human beings not to be up their own asses

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that's kind of the point, their gimmick is not having a gimmick. you may say the one guy isn't going for a 'look' and that's why he wears a jersey all the time, I say he wears a jersey all the time because after much deliberation he chose that as his 'look' to make sure everyone notices how little he cares about these things.

it's not really the rest of the band though, it's mostly maynard. I haven't seen a frontman so in love with himself, so convinced that everything he says is pure brilliance, since jim morrison. he makes david lee roth look humble.

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hmmm just tried listening to some dream theater on youtube..
i actually don't want to listen to any more of it for fear that it may ruin my taste in music and skill as a guitar player,
it sounds like what me and my friends come up with improvising on the guitar when we think "what would sound cool to other people and sound like we possess complexity?"
i guarantee they are just building together bits and pieces of riffs they heard other bands play, and constructing them in a way that sounds original

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that's exactly what they do, they've made a career out of sifting through queensryche's garbage.

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in fact only one track down on the same cd is 'red barchetta' which is a way better song and one that everybody isn't sick of yet

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My station plays spirit of radio and working man more than tom sawyer, fly by night sometimes too.

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I've never heard working man on the radio ever in my life, in fact the first time I ever heard that song it was the dream theater cover of it and that just kind of ruined it for me

also I know I'm the one who brought them up but do not get me started on dream theater unless you want this thread to go 20 pages

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Dream Theater should have an "Up our own asses" contest with Tool, REM, and Radiohead

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Is it weird that I love Rush and Queensryche but hate a band that alternates between trying really hard to be Rush and trying really hard to be Queensryche?

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Is that why even the more famous artists can only dream of having Tool's number of record sales?
Even though Tool gets played on the radio considerably less than other artists

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it's interesting to me that a you think a band that tries as hard as they can as human beings not to be up their own asses, is up their own ass

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i've never even listened to them but my friend goes on and on about them

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hmmm just tried listening to some dream theater on youtube..
i actually don't want to listen to any more of it for fear that it may ruin my taste in music and skill as a guitar player,
it sounds like what me and my friends come up with improvising on the guitar when we think "what would sound cool to other people and sound like we possess complexity?"
i guarantee they are just building together bits and pieces of riffs they heard other bands play, and constructing them in a way that sounds original

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radio here plays a good variety of rush, but a canadian band is going to get lots of airplay in canada i guess. Tragically hip is over played by about 400% and i can't tolerate them anymore

this is the most annoyingly pretentious thing queensryche has ever written



Now eat it, shit it out and smear the results on a sheet music book. congratulations you've just written a dream theater album.

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radio here plays a good variety of rush, but a canadian band is going to get lots of airplay in canada i guess. Tragically hip is over played by about 400% and i can't tolerate them anymore

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have you ever been to a rush show? I've seen Rush like 8 times, I've always wondered if there are girls at their shows in Canada, around here it's all chubby middle aged guys

no but they are coming to tour here soon i think but i imagine it isnt much different.. all the attractive girls here pretend to like skrillex

I don't even need them to be attractive, I'm usually so loaded at concerts I can barely walk. it seems like every single person at every rush show has tickets for comicon next week, and that makes me sad.

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If they were all about the music you wouldn't know their names. They want to be celebrities. There's nothing wrong with that.

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I'm sure they enjoy the fame to an extent, but not as much as other bands do
maynard won't go out in public without wearing a wig and disguise, and according to myth "shoots at obsessive crazed fans with a paintball gun to get them off his private premises"

I think they try to let the music stand by itself as much as they can.
They're not trying to promote a certain way to dress, a certain way to act, or a certain "music scene". At a Tool concert, you see all sorts of people who all associate themselves with different genres of music. Although Tool may be technically considered "metal", the crowd of fans is about as "metal" as the crowd at a bob dylan concert is "folk".

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I'm sure they enjoy the fame to an extent, but not as much as other bands do
maynard won't go out in public without wearing a wig and disguise, and according to myth "shoots at obsessive crazed fans with a paintball gun to get them off his private premises"

I think they try to let the music stand by itself as much as they can.
They're not trying to promote a certain way to dress, a certain way to act, or a certain "music scene". At a Tool concert, you see all sorts of people who all associate themselves with different genres of music. Although Tool may be technically considered "metal", the crowd of fans is about as "metal" as the crowd at a bob dylan concert is "folk".

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is marilyn manson promoting his style? does he encourage people to dress like him? tool's casual in a way that makes them appealing to people who are anti-glam. that may not be the right description but it's the best I could think of. anyway, it's just as calculated, and just as much a part of the show, as kiss's makeup.

I don't know who classifies tool as metal, they're not nearly fast enough or dark enough to be a metal band. they're hard rock if anything.

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that's kind of the point, their gimmick is not having a gimmick. you may say the one guy isn't going for a 'look' and that's why he wears a jersey all the time, I say he wears a jersey all the time because after much deliberation he chose that as his 'look' to make sure everyone notices how little he cares about these things.

it's not really the rest of the band though, it's mostly maynard. I haven't seen a frontman so in love with himself, so convinced that everything he says is pure brilliance, since jim morrison. he makes david lee roth look humble.

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well, touche.
At least they're trying though

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Originally Posted by Plug Drugs

well, touche.
At least they're trying though

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I should point out, again, I don't have any problem with Tool, I consider myself a fan of theirs. It's just that sometimes you deify them a little more than they deserve and I feel compelled to reel you back in a bit.

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is marilyn manson promoting his style? does he encourage people to dress like him? tool's casual in a way that makes them appealing to people who are anti-glam. that may not be the right description but it's the best I could think of. anyway, it's just as calculated, and just as much a part of the show, as kiss's makeup.

I don't know who classifies tool as metal, they're not nearly fast enough or dark enough to be a metal band. they're hard rock if anything.

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i think its as calculated as it could be during the few seconds they thought "what are we going to wear out on stage? we have to wear something"
or at least that's what i like to think

they probably have their own stylists

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Originally Posted by Plug Drugs

i think its as calculated as it could be during the few seconds they thought "what are we going to wear out on stage? we have to wear something"
or at least that's what i like to think

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Nothing wrong with buying into the illusion, Pearl Jam fans do it all the time.

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Originally Posted by lnopia the great

they probably have their own stylists

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'give me a $800 haircut and make it look like an $8 haircut please'

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I should point out, again, I don't have any problem with Tool, I consider myself a fan of theirs. It's just that sometimes you deify them a little more than they deserve and I feel compelled to reel you back in a bit.

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yeah drugs can make me manic and obsessive.
I think I may have put more thought into some band's songs than they ever even put into it while writing it

I've just always been craving a style of music that takes things to the next step, and Tool seems to have taken it there. They are definitely more committed to making quality music than your average schmucks; they spend months writing new albums; other bands don't put in 1/10th of that effort. Dave Mustaine openly admits that all the riffs on Countdown Extinction were made in just one afternoon; the band would go out and shoot hoops for a while, go back in the studio and just 'come up with' a riff, then go back out and shoot hoops for a while, then go back in and write another.
Tool on the other hand, actually has a blackboard they write out their gameplan on, with every single note given deep intricate thought before it is placed in the song.

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yeah drugs can make me manic and obsessive.
I think I may have put more thought into some band's songs than they ever even put into it while writing it

I've just always been craving a style of music that takes things to the next step, and Tool seems to have taken it there. They are definitely more committed to making quality music than your average schmucks; they spend months writing new albums; other bands don't put in 1/10th of that effort. Dave Mustaine openly admits that all the riffs on Countdown Extinction were made in just one afternoon; the band would go out and shoot hoops for a while, go back in the studio and just 'come up with' a riff, then go back out and shoot hoops for a while, then go back in and write another.
Tool on the other hand, actually has a blackboard they write out their gameplan on, with every single note given deep intricate thought before it is placed in the song.

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their philosophies are totally different. dave mustaine isn't interested in being recognized as a paragon of talent handed down by the gods of rock, he's interested in making fun thrashy songs to play loudly and annoy one's parents. tool takes their music way too seriously to have any fun with it, every album feels like maynard expects me to recognize it as a masterpiece and if I find any fault with it well I'm obviously just stupid because it's perfect in every way. he really does remind me a lot of jim morrison.

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Nothing wrong with buying into the illusion, Pearl Jam fans do it all the time.

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There is a certain illusion Tool plays along with on purpose, but their fans know it to be an illusion just as much as they do.
For example, their last album 10,000 days had a "puzzle" to it that they didn't reveal the solution to up until a few months ago.
Was the puzzle as deep and as thought out as people liked to think it was going to be? Maybe not so much. Was it fun to think about before I knew the answer to it? Most definitely
It's part of the "mystery" that makes it more entertaining to listen to.