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She's right, romney invented obamacare
kind of funny how neither side likes to talk about that
most recent moron documents
fuck riots, they tie up traffic
I like to bring up obamacare to every romney supporter I come across they all swear up and down that since it was only one state it's a good thing and perfectly acceptable and that's when I know that they're clueless and haven't put any more thought into this than the obama supporters have
This country is truly fucked.
If you think we're going to see a dime of anything that the government "saves" you're delusional or have just moved to this country recentlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Cody
yes lets keep antagonizing crazy people that will end well
I don't give a fuck what happens in london or the middle east why am I the only person who understands that ignoring them is another option
we ignored the middle east for like 150 years and had no problems from that part of the world then in the 50' and 60's we started fucking with them and holy shit whoops we just pissed off a bunch of insane religious fanatic gj guys
so yeah lets keep provoking them it's worked out so well in the past
I think we're split over who exactly big brother is
but you're angry at blacks and foreigners who don't have a chance in hell of ever being big brother
i'm still stuck on how she was so convinced that she thought romney, not obama, is a socialist/communist... i'm not sure if she even knows what socialism and/or communism even are!!
yeah socialists do things like mandating government run healthcare plans like romney did when he was governor of massachusettsQuote:
Originally Posted by Ramen
you should stick to licking butts
if only 12% voted for obama he wouldn't be president, a large part of the population feels they deserve handouts and most of them are white
states =/= federalQuote:
Originally Posted by maks
i'm for states rights, small federal gov't, jackass. let the states take care of their own. it's even in the constitution. the federal gov't taking over the issue of healthcare where some states we successful with state-run healthcares, was unconstitutional as it was not an unresolved issue that the federal gov't had to take over. states are states. they are supposed to have a bit of sovereignty, as stated in the constitution, one reason the south was so pissed back in the 1800's.
oh so it's ok to pass a shockingly socialist bill so long as it's at the state level? so if idaho decided to redistribute everyone's wealth and pay every worker the same wage and put the hammer and sicle on their flag that wouldn't be communist behavior because idaho isn't a country, is that the gist of what you're saying?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramen
how could you empty quote that, it's the stupidest thing anyone has said all night. a bad law is not somehow magically good if it's a state rather than a federal law.
ok yeah that makes a lot more sense
god damn you're thick...Quote:
Originally Posted by maks
ugh, now i gotta pull out my constitution...
the idea is that the fact that is was a socialist bill, but it was something that the state saw was an issue that needed to be resolved so they may serve their citizens. redistribution of wealth is not an issue that would be plausible for a state to consider. states, however, make laws about wages (using the federal as a guideline). for example: waitresses in tennessee get paid about $2.13/hr + tips because they rely on their tips for most of their wage, yet tennessee chose to not have a state income tax. montana, however, passed a law that waitresses are paid the $7.-something federal base minimum wage plus their tips and they chose to have no sales tax, but a heavy income tax. these are examples of states taking care of their own as they see fit, and how thick headed of you to try to hover on the point of they type of bills states pass, when taking care of their own is what i stated is the actual point.
let me show you the constitution, so you can be a constitutionally informed libertarian instead of trying to regurgitate the little boy who cried socialist, and know what you're actually talking about.
"Article IV - The States
Section 1
Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof."
"Amendment 10
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."
amendment 10 is nice... chain of "command" as it would be for an unresolved issue would go: the people, the city, the county, the state AND THEN to the federal gov't.
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Originally Posted by Cody
I don't see what state's rights have to do with this. The question was "Is Mitt Romney a socialist?" my answer is "Well yes he passed a pretty socialist law" and you're bringing up the civil war and the constitution for some reasonQuote:
Originally Posted by Ramen
See I'm pretty sure that forcing people to buy something they neither want nor need because it's "in their best interest" is bad no matter where you do it but I guess I'm just a better conservative than you guys
it's ok, maks... i didn't expect you to... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by maks
I know enough about the constitution to know that it doesn't have a fucking thing to do with what we're discussing, that's something you apparently don't know
no due to the constitution, the south had all right to secede, except they did it illegally, but there really was no was to do it legally since lincoln invaded his own country... but as much as i hate to admit it, the south seceded illegally because per the constitution, they would have had to have representatives of all states agree to disband a state or states in this case because the signing on the constitution was a binding contract amongst all the states...Quote:
Originally Posted by Cody
yeah, dems and reps are all scumbags. they all wipe their ass with the constitution and interpret it as it best suits what they want or ignore it all together. i'm a firm believer in following the entire constitution, not bits and pieces.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cody
you're probably right, but to say the guy isn't a socialist is just incredibly naive bordering on corky-level retard which is the sort of thing I have come to expect from ramen and she did not disappointQuote:
Originally Posted by Cody
ugh, i never said the dude wasn't you selective reading dickwad... i was simply pointing out the irony in the fact that she's SO pro-obama who is very obviously a socialist, yet condemns romney for being a "socialist/communist".
I'm not sure if you doQuote:
Originally Posted by Ramen
fwiw it's someone who passes socialist laws which further a socialist agenda, kind of like when romeny forced a healthcare system on massachusetts which became the model for obama's federal program. in a very real way romeny taught obama how to commie.
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repeal th 10th amendment its gay
please stopQuote:
Originally Posted by Cody
i am precisely as black as yuou are funny
but i havent laughed at anything cody posted yet this is clearly a nigger-lieQuote:
Originally Posted by Camoron
ban everyone itt because it's so bad
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