How come Italy used to be the center of the civilized world,

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and now its all spaghetti and meatballs..

shit happens

having your country be the center of pizza is better anyways

[maks]

because the moors invaded and polluted the roman gene pool with groid blood IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR?

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all the barbarian tribes of the north uniting, then rolling through the roman empire, pillaging and razing as they went, sounds epic... but did it actually happen?

[Genital Doli]

all the barbarian tribes of the north uniting, then rolling through the roman empire, pillaging and razing as they went, sounds epic... but did it actually happen?

no lmfao are you retarded

[Genital Doli]

A grand coalition of barbarian tribes attacked the Roman empire at its height and brought Caesar to his knees, the little bitch. Even though Rome was united and had a very strong sense of Roman identity at the time, and wasn't just a bunch of barbarian tribes slapping the label "Rome" on because some merchants in the cities told them to. It could not stand against the might of the Barbarian Coalition (as it is called in historical circles today). This is how Rome fell.

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yeah and the colonial americans couldn't handle the well-organized british army because after all they were just crazed wild-men with a sense of adventure and a hard on for the wilderness there's no way they could defeat the redcoats

[Genital Doli]

the christian identity had become far more important than the identity associated with citizenship and rome (this is rly common because of gibbon theme that you see over and over again) and thus the latters fall was regarded, mostly, as a non-event. the "last" roman emperor was some kid who no one even cared about. (even tho the real last roman emperor was constantine xi in constantinople but i digress)

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the christian identity had become far more important than the identity associated with citizenship and rome (this is rly common because of gibbon theme that you see over and over again) and thus the latters fall was regarded, mostly, as a non-event. the "last" roman emperor was some kid who no one even cared about. (even tho the real last roman emperor was constantine xi in constantinople but i digress)

the collective consciousness' sense of "identity" and ego (which 'religion' could most undoubtedly be categorized under psychologically) only comes secondary in the human mind's priority to realistic affairs such as socioeconomics (one's "role" in society) and survival.
You could say that the western empire had become lazy, or that the extent of its territories had simply become too large for it to manage and northern barbarians found this exploitable,
but does religion have something to do with it? Probably not. Religion only reinforces what's already present in the mind

[Genital Doli]

first of all the western roman empire fell in 400 a.d. not 1200 a.d. so i dont get "the past 800 years" comment, second of all the "loose confederation of barbarians" was referring to the western roman empire at the time of its fall, when it was made up mostly by ostrogoths and lombards, the same people who eventually said hey we dont need a roman emperor anymore.

[Genital Doli]

those barbarian tribes later developed into the feudal kingdoms of europe and far less directly the "enlightened monarchies" of 1400+, sure, but i dont get what your point is, that has nothing to do with the state of rome in the middle of the 5th century

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those barbarian tribes later developed into the feudal kingdoms of europe and far less directly the "enlightened monarchies" of 1400+, sure, but i dont get what your point is, that has nothing to do with the state of rome in the middle of the 5th century

The nation of England did not have its Feudal roots established by barbarians; most historians agree that the Romans played a much larger role in England's development than Barbarians did.

[Genital Doli]

The nation of England did not have its Feudal roots established by barbarians; most historians agree that the Romans played a much larger role in England's development than Barbarians did.

yes it fucking did you fucking retard holy shit where do you think the feudal system came from in the first place

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yes it fucking did you fucking retard holy shit where do you think the feudal system came from in the first place

uhh cavalry divisions in the roman army being given land grants?

[Genital Doli]

"rome" as a cohesive entity a la legions and centurions (in the west) didnt even exist at the time of its "fall". it was mostly a loose confederation of barbarians that had been invited into its borders by the patricians in the cities in order to defend against other barbarians, a policy that had the effect of barbarianizing rome.the barbarians never once presented a unified front against rome, either, and the western roman empires fall happened via puttering out not some massive sack of rome (rome was actually sacked 3 times and it didnt fall any of those times)

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"loosely tied confederation of barbarians", is that why Rome is still the head of the catholic church and Western Europe has been, for the past 800 years, the definition of "civilized"?

[Genital Doli]

"loosely tied confederation of barbarians", is that why the vatican is still the head of the catholic church and Western Europe has been, for the past 800 years, the definition of "civilized"?

what are you talking about

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what are you talking about

i'm saying that the eastern empire was under just as much pressure from pissed off middle-easterners who didn't want them there as the western empire was under pressure from northern barbarians who didn't want them there.

[Genital Doli]

i'm saying that the eastern empire was under just as much pressure from pissed off middle-easterners who didn't want them there as the western empire was under pressure from northern barbarians who didn't want them there.

this is so fucking wrong and you dont know what youre talking about lol, the only "pressure" they were under was from heretical movements in egypt and syria who sought to replace the orthodoxy of the state with various offshoots, but never dreamed of separating politically from Constantinople, and the Persian Sassanids who were mostly fighting border skirmishes with them over shithole regions like Armenia

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is that what the church taught you during your studies to become a priest

[Genital Doli]

is that what the church taught you during your studies to become a priest

*nods head sagely8

[Genital Doli]

[maks]

he never actually said religion had anything to do with it, he said that western rome was a patchwork of various conquered tribes who eventually got tired of taking orders from a fat guinea

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he never actually said religion had anything to do with it, he said that western rome was a patchwork of various conquered tribes who eventually got tired of taking orders from a fat guinea

he said "the christian identity had become far more important than the identity associated with citizenship and rome" sic

[Genital Doli]

he said "the christian identity had become far more important than the identity associated with citizenship and rome" sic

youre conflating so many different things but this is to be expected when you know nothing almost nothing about the material and the time period and think that grand coalitions of barbarians went rampaging through the mighty stabilized roman empire which hadn't existed for two hundred years at this point. imho that did not directly lead to rome's collapse, nor do i think it did, but it helps explain the apathy expressed by "romans" when there was no longer a western roman empire.

go study your books some more you fukin' nerds

doli and pluggy talkign roman politics

maks chillin talkin about france n shit

maks chillin talkin about france n shit

haha what that shirt is legit