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    thats exactly how i am but my doctors dont feel the need to give me psychotics




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    Naruto takes anti-depressants... As does Dragon Ball Z. You cant possibly tell me theyre bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gentleman Doli View Post
    Naruto takes anti-depressants... As does Dragon Ball Z. You cant possibly tell me theyre bad.
    And Roger Ramjet took proton power pills, from the US government. Except that's not based on any fictional references whatsoever. Right now the name used for the stuff given to military pilots is "modafinil"
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    sounds like some good shit
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    Quote Originally Posted by blumpkin blownuts View Post
    And Roger Ramjet took proton power pills, from the US government. Except that's not based on any fictional references whatsoever. Right now the name used for the stuff given to military pilots is "modafinil"
    that guy is cool
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    when a hit brings you an inch away from death, that's living man
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    actually its fairly hard to die from d-amphetamine... need to take a single dose much higher than 400mg, and odds are you'll just start having a seizure and be sent to the ER before you can die...
    the only time i ever honestly felt close to death was being on methadone, clonazepam, and drinking alcohol at the same time. I went down to like 3 breathes per minute, and had to force myself to stay awake... but its hard to force yourself to stay awake when you cant even stand up
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    and methadone is another drug i'll never try, way too risky since im a polydrug user
    the closest i can get to death is my brain "zeroes out" and i slump over in such a way that my airway locks open, so i still must be getting oxygen through diffusion rather than mechanical breathing

    i used to could get there with 120mg oxy/150mgeq morphine, plus 4oz whiskey, 2-4mg alprazolam, and 50-100 mg promethazine
    now i throw barbiturates and DXM in the mix and i can still barely get a nod. I refuse to inject though, or pay some dritbag out the ass for heroin when everything else i can get for price of fucking tapwater
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    Quote Originally Posted by blumpkin blownuts View Post
    and methadone is another drug i'll never try, way too risky since im a polydrug user
    the closest i can get to death is my brain "zeroes out" and i slump over in such a way that my airway locks open, so i still must be getting oxygen through diffusion rather than mechanical breathing

    i used to could get there with 120mg oxy/150mgeq morphine, plus 4oz whiskey, 2-4mg alprazolam, and 50-100 mg promethazine
    now i throw barbiturates and DXM in the mix and i can still barely get a nod. I refuse to inject though, or pay some dritbag out the ass for heroin when everything else i can get for price of fucking tapwater
    if you dont use opiates for a few weeks your tolerance completely goes back to baseline. I thought I had a permanent tolerance for a long time, but last night was my first night using opiates in almost a month, and I actually 'felt' 15mg of hydrocodone. It didn't give me a nod mind you, but I 'felt' it. I thought it was a miracle, because normally I don't even bother with hydrocodone because a few times I had eaten 75mg of it and felt absolutely nothing.

    About a month ago I had a 120mg/day oxy habit or 45mg/day methadone, whichever was easier to get (methadone was invariably cheaper, but would slightly block my oxy high for a few days afterwards so I usually chose oxy when I could afford it).
    But anyways, the point is that my tolerance is actually lower right now than it has been in years, after just one month of not using any opiates.

    I'm happy with where I'm at with opiates right now; I don't have a job so I can't do them every day and skyrocket my tolerance again. I can only afford to have a few day long binge every 1-2 weeks, but now I don't have to worry about tolerance or whether I'm going to be sick if I can't find another dose
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gentleman Doli View Post
    that guy is cool
    i haven't seen him on TV in about 15 years, though i can't get boomerang out here.
    i don't suppose they still play his show? or are "retro cartoons" now considered to be fucking ed edd & eddy, and powerpuff shit
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    Quote Originally Posted by lnopia the great View Post
    thats exactly how i am but my doctors dont feel the need to give me psychotics
    that's because you have no control over your medical treatment with socialized medicine. american doctors will typically give you what you're asking for because if they don't you can go find someone who does, it's all part of being treated like a grownup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maks View Post
    that's because you have no control over your medical treatment with socialized medicine. american doctors will typically give you what you're asking for because if they don't you can go find someone who does, it's all part of being treated like a grownup.
    lol unles your a tranny... pwned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maks View Post
    that's because you have no control over your medical treatment with socialized medicine.
    im sure you arent implying i have no control what is done to my body

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    american doctors will typically give you what you're asking for because if they don't you can go find someone who does
    profit over judgement, thats exactly how i want my medical professionals to think




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    Quote Originally Posted by lnopia the great View Post
    im sure you arent implying i have no control what is done to my body
    you do, to an extent. you can either choose 'what the state offers' or 'nothing at all'.

    profit over judgement, thats exactly how i want my medical professionals to think
    "this guy is an adult and I exist to facilitate the choices he has made for himself" that's exactly how I want people who are providing me a service to think
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    Quote Originally Posted by maks View Post
    you do, to an extent. you can either choose 'what the state offers' or 'nothing at all'.
    Yes i can agree to surgery on my shoulder, or can opt to live with the fact my shoulder can re-dislocate from any significant force. Is that what you are saying? I don't get what you are trying to say, is your statement not true for any hospital?

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    "this guy is an adult and I exist to facilitate the choices he has made for himself" that's exactly how I want people who are providing me a service to think
    Sounds like how a crack dealer would justify what he does to feed his family. I'd prefer if my doctors used their education to tell me what is actually best for me and not what I want



    Also your anology isn't really applicable because most things not provided are elective surgeries, like boob jobs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lnopia the great View Post
    Yes i can agree to surgery on my shoulder, or can opt to live with the fact my shoulder can re-dislocate from any significant force. Is that what you are saying? I don't get what you are trying to say, is your statement not true for any hospital?
    Nope, you'd have a choice of surgery, or physical therapy, or drugs, or a different, more experimental, surgery. It's not "Do what we recommend or live with it"

    Sounds like how a crack dealer would justify what he does to feed his family. I'd prefer if my doctors used their education to tell me what is actually best for me and not what I want
    Agreed, I prefer if my doctor listen to me and make a decision based on his own experience combined with my needs, rather than giving me a stock catch-all answer out of the book of national healthcare mandates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maks View Post
    rather than giving me a stock catch-all answer out of the book of national healthcare mandates.
    not sure if thats a canadian doctor impression but the health here works the same way in the states only we pay for it in tax and you do cash. like if i wanted to get my dick cut off id still go to my family doctor and he would explain the risks associated with it etc and reference me to someone who specializes in cutting dicks and from there i just pay out my own pocket cause it is something that rightfully isnt covered




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    Quote Originally Posted by lnopia the great View Post
    Yes i can agree to surgery on my shoulder, or can opt to live with the fact my shoulder can re-dislocate from any significant force. Is that what you are saying? I don't get what you are trying to say, is your statement not true for any hospital?



    Sounds like how a crack dealer would justify what he does to feed his family. I'd prefer if my doctors used their education to tell me what is actually best for me and not what I want



    Also your anology isn't really applicable because most things not provided are elective surgeries, like boob jobs.
    "what you want" is typically what's best for you. If a person goes to a doctor already knowing what medication they would like to be prescribed, they are very rarely satisfied when they leave the doctor unless they got the hot new medication they wanted. It's like a placebo effect. Even if something is clinically more likely to give you results, your mind's own psychosomatic influence will make you believe your still "sick" unless you got what you "think" is going to make you feel better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plug Drugs View Post
    "what you want" is typically what's best for you. If a person goes to a doctor already knowing what medication they would like to be prescribed, they are very rarely satisfied when they leave the doctor unless they got the hot new medication they wanted. It's like a placebo effect. Even if something is clinically more likely to give you results, your mind's own psychosomatic influence will make you believe your still "sick" unless you got what you "think" is going to make you feel better.
    I don't think health care covers "babysitting emotions"




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    Quote Originally Posted by maks View Post
    you do, to an extent. you can either choose 'what the state offers' or 'nothing at all'.



    "this guy is an adult and I exist to facilitate the choices he has made for himself" that's exactly how I want people who are providing me a service to think
    fear, fear fear. marks stepped on a death panel and lost a life now he's afraid of "socialized medicine"
    of course there will still be competition and choice. it just gets capped and regulated.

    as far as getting what you want from the doctor, let's all just agree that you want the middleground - avoid the doctor that will immediately give you whatever drug you saw a clever cartoon TV ad hawk. also avoid the doctor that will only prescribe the drug being made by the folks who paid for his family's $80,000 ski trip, no matter how much you tell him it doesn't work or you read that it could be dangerous or unneeded.

    everybody wants a doctor that will carefully consider all your input, weigh in as much of it as he can, then make a professional and unbiased decision towards your care. a national insurance program does not mean "the good doctors" are going to be inaccessible.
    what are they going to do, turn in their stethoscope and ear-flashlights for good, and go sell knives next to the subway stop?
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