How come Italy used to be the center of the civilized world,

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yeah and the colonial americans couldn't handle the well-organized british army because after all they were just crazed wild-men with a sense of adventure and a hard on for the wilderness there's no way they could defeat the redcoats

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the christian identity had become far more important than the identity associated with citizenship and rome (this is rly common because of gibbon theme that you see over and over again) and thus the latters fall was regarded, mostly, as a non-event. the "last" roman emperor was some kid who no one even cared about. (even tho the real last roman emperor was constantine xi in constantinople but i digress)

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the christian identity had become far more important than the identity associated with citizenship and rome (this is rly common because of gibbon theme that you see over and over again) and thus the latters fall was regarded, mostly, as a non-event. the "last" roman emperor was some kid who no one even cared about. (even tho the real last roman emperor was constantine xi in constantinople but i digress)

the collective consciousness' sense of "identity" and ego (which 'religion' could most undoubtedly be categorized under psychologically) only comes secondary in the human mind's priority to realistic affairs such as socioeconomics (one's "role" in society) and survival.
You could say that the western empire had become lazy, or that the extent of its territories had simply become too large for it to manage and northern barbarians found this exploitable,
but does religion have something to do with it? Probably not. Religion only reinforces what's already present in the mind

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first of all the western roman empire fell in 400 a.d. not 1200 a.d. so i dont get "the past 800 years" comment, second of all the "loose confederation of barbarians" was referring to the western roman empire at the time of its fall, when it was made up mostly by ostrogoths and lombards, the same people who eventually said hey we dont need a roman emperor anymore.

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those barbarian tribes later developed into the feudal kingdoms of europe and far less directly the "enlightened monarchies" of 1400+, sure, but i dont get what your point is, that has nothing to do with the state of rome in the middle of the 5th century

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those barbarian tribes later developed into the feudal kingdoms of europe and far less directly the "enlightened monarchies" of 1400+, sure, but i dont get what your point is, that has nothing to do with the state of rome in the middle of the 5th century

The nation of England did not have its Feudal roots established by barbarians; most historians agree that the Romans played a much larger role in England's development than Barbarians did.

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The nation of England did not have its Feudal roots established by barbarians; most historians agree that the Romans played a much larger role in England's development than Barbarians did.

yes it fucking did you fucking retard holy shit where do you think the feudal system came from in the first place

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yes it fucking did you fucking retard holy shit where do you think the feudal system came from in the first place

uhh cavalry divisions in the roman army being given land grants?