How come Italy used to be the center of the civilized world,

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On the contrary, the post-Roman state of Britain still experienced attacks from Barbarian tribes even after it was no longer a part of Rome -- it was not "given over to the barbarians" like Doli makes it sound like.

the Western Empire basically said "fuck it, you're all on your own" to its far away territories (such as Britain), but these territories still maintained a Roman-esque style of government and persevered through an onslaught of barbarians to eventually become the feudal states we hear about in the history books.

If this discussion is about the 'gray area' in European history - the transition of Europe between the Roman Empire and the Feudal Era, General Doli is wrong.

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On the contrary, the post-Roman state of Britain still experienced attacks from Barbarian tribes even after it was no longer a part of Rome -- it was not "given over to the barbarians" like Doli makes it sound like.

the Western Empire basically said "fuck it, you're all on your own" to its far away territories (such as Britain), but these territories still maintained a Roman-esque style of government and persevered through an onslaught of barbarians to eventually become the feudal states we hear about in the history books.

If this discussion is about the 'gray area' in European history - the transition of Europe between the Roman Empire and the Feudal Era, General Doli is wrong.

they didnt "survive" an onslaught of barbarians, actually, they completely surrendered to them and their culture became that of their successive conquerors one after the other. further, no one is fucking talking about england when we're talking about the roman empire giving up land to the barbarians because britain was no longer part of the roman empire aftere 410 A.D.