How come Italy used to be the center of the civilized world,

i wish i had lived a thousand years ago i would have been king for sure

[Genital Doli]

On the contrary, the post-Roman state of Britain still experienced attacks from Barbarian tribes even after it was no longer a part of Rome -- it was not "given over to the barbarians" like Doli makes it sound like.

the Western Empire basically said "fuck it, you're all on your own" to its far away territories (such as Britain), but these territories still maintained a Roman-esque style of government and persevered through an onslaught of barbarians to eventually become the feudal states we hear about in the history books.

If this discussion is about the 'gray area' in European history - the transition of Europe between the Roman Empire and the Feudal Era, General Doli is wrong.

they didnt "survive" an onslaught of barbarians, actually, they completely surrendered to them and their culture became that of their successive conquerors one after the other. further, no one is fucking talking about england when we're talking about the roman empire giving up land to the barbarians because britain was no longer part of the roman empire aftere 410 A.D.

[Genital Doli]

I only cite Britain because it seems to be the most discussed in literature, and the least confusing - therefore we can use it as a focal point for our discussion on the Western Empire's transition to Feudalism

Unfortunately it also seems to be the province we know the least about, as writings from that time period and place of the world are extremely rare; but this just makes it good for theorizing and arguing about

no we can't, the feudalism that ultimately developed in england was very different from the feudalism that developed on the continent and you dont get to make these weird ass assertions

a countrys power is based on the size of the land

[Genital Doli]

i'm saying that the eastern empire was under just as much pressure from pissed off middle-easterners who didn't want them there as the western empire was under pressure from northern barbarians who didn't want them there.

this is so fucking wrong and you dont know what youre talking about lol, the only "pressure" they were under was from heretical movements in egypt and syria who sought to replace the orthodoxy of the state with various offshoots, but never dreamed of separating politically from Constantinople, and the Persian Sassanids who were mostly fighting border skirmishes with them over shithole regions like Armenia

"writings from ancient rome are extremely rare"
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america is so powerful because it is simply the biggest country (square footage and population)

[Genital Doli]

200 years later the muslims came and "wanted them out" but the people of the provinces in the east were far, far more roman than the people in Gaul or Iberia or Britain

[maks]

the eastern empire was more greek than roman, js

[Genital Doli]

he said "the christian identity had become far more important than the identity associated with citizenship and rome" sic

youre conflating so many different things but this is to be expected when you know nothing almost nothing about the material and the time period and think that grand coalitions of barbarians went rampaging through the mighty stabilized roman empire which hadn't existed for two hundred years at this point. imho that did not directly lead to rome's collapse, nor do i think it did, but it helps explain the apathy expressed by "romans" when there was no longer a western roman empire.

a bunch of fags itt

go study your books some more you fukin' nerds

[Genital Doli]

the eastern empire was more greek than roman, js

a distinction without a difference, greek and roman culture had essentially become one by the time rome fell, and while i agree that east eventually became a greek medieval state, up until late antiquity and the reign of emperor heraclius it was far more roman than anything the west tried to front

doli and pluggy talkign roman politics

maks chillin talkin about france n shit

maks chillin talkin about france n shit

haha what that shirt is legit

rootbeer watching super bugfights on g4

[Genital Doli]

lol... done w/out any irony watsoever? im so frocking mad about le history

i think youre overdoing it patrick, its worn out

stay true to yourself

[Genital Doli]

shut up garfield

[Genital Doli]

hmm... i think ur overdoing the funny jokes thing.. could u cut it out and give us more 20 page discusion about roman history with stoners? thaknk you

[maks]

a distinction without a difference, greek and roman culture had essentially become one by the time rome fell, and while i agree that east eventually became a greek medieval state, up until late antiquity and the reign of emperor heraclius it was far more roman than anything the west tried to front

strongly disagree, greek and roman cultures had their similarities but they were very different and distinct. might as well say american culture is the same as roman because some of our government buildings have columns.

have you been practicing?

[Genital Doli]

strongly disagree, greek and roman cultures had their similarities but they were very different and distinct. might as well say american culture is the same as roman because some of our government buildings have columns.

look the problem with what youre saying is that they were very distinct for a very long time, but by this time all distinctions had completely disappeared between the two, and the culture practiced by people in corinth by around 400 A.D. was not much different from the culture practiced by men in rome. there's a reason byzantine rule in italy continued on-and-off until the 10th century

[Genital Doli]

americans weren't ruled over by romans for over 500 years lol

[maks]

look man I have a bunch of old copper byzantine coins and the picture on the back is of alexander the great fisting socrates while homer plows him in the ass, seems pretty greek to me.

[maks]

don't even dare point out that alexander was macedonian or I'll kick you in the cock

[rubycalaber]

obviously it's because god is real and catholicism is the true faith