How come Italy used to be the center of the civilized world,

At the dynasty's greatest expanse of control

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At the dynasty's greatest expanse of control

The Almoravids were , exclusively, the Moors, and you arent an idiot arguing semantics

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The people who conquered Bari were people from the fucking tiny Roman province of ARabia by the ancient ROman definition, and it makes sense to apply it to a time 400 years after the Roman Empire fell, and not "Saracens" in the general medieval form of the word which came to mean all practicioners of Islam including berbers, turks, and arabs. This makes a lot of sense, and isnt a really retarded line of arguement.

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The thing I love even more is that youre quoting from the first line of a wikipedia page without even bothering to read the freaoocking next two sentecnces haha clay youre so retarded and i hate you

In Europe during the Middle Ages the term was expanded to include Arabs, and then all who professed the religion of Islam.[1] The expansion of the meaning occurred first among the Byzantine Greeks and then among the Latins.[1] By the time of the Crusades, beginning in 1095, a "Saracen" had become synonymous with a "Muslim" in European chronicles.

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Clay do you want me to keep going or are you going to stop being an annoying little bitch when I know more about this than you do and youre retarded

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so what are the facts

[1] saracen is a general term used in the medieval ages often applied to all muslims
[2] saracen is used on a wikipedia page talking about the emirate of bari
[3] "moor" is a similarly general term without much ethnological meaning but, being lenient to clay the retard, can be said to mean "those of berber stock" if we really want to narrow it down even though this is wrong
[4] bari was conquered by a slave from the Emirate of Africa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emir_of_Africa) and was most likely of berber stock
[5] Bari was conquered by both a Moor and a Saracen by both definitions
[6] clay doesnt know how to read wikipedia unless its for cool semantic arguements made up of "well the meaning of the word fag is actually bundle of sticks, and im not one of those you retard"
[7] Moors went into Italy and clay youre so wrong lol

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Damn. Thats some damn good shit, some damn good historical arguements and what not. But you understemated me. I have a map I downloaded from Medieval Total War about my favorite faction the Almoravids (the moors)