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ffs doing some research for you stevey..
the i7 has hyperthreading which games do not use, and having it there when you dont need it actually slows performance, so you want to go with an i5 if you're gaming.

ivy bridge can't be overclocked as much as sandy bridge, but ivy bridge is about 5% more powerful than sandy bridge at the same clock speed.

So i guess my advice wouldnt be much different than marks' advice; find the video card you want, and build everything else around it, and keep the information above in mind when picking a processor.
Do you plan on overclocking your processor? How are you going to keep your system cooled? Do you want a fancy case? etc etc

[steveyos]

NOW YOU KNOW TOO MUCH

it would seem that I know more than most

You should have listened to maks, he worked with different computers including overpriced hardwares than myself

this is what I was waiting for, marks doesn't give me a single link or recommendation and elz tells me to listen to marks, this is what I live for elz as usual does not disappoint

ffs doing some research for you stevey..
the i7 has hyperthreading which games do not use, and having it there when you dont need it actually slows performance, so you want to go with an i5 if you're gaming.

ivy bridge can't be overclocked as much as sandy bridge, but ivy bridge is about 5% more powerful than sandy bridge at the same clock speed.

So i guess my advice wouldnt be much different than marks' advice; find the video card you want, and build everything else around it, and keep the information above in mind when picking a processor.
Do you plan on overclocking your processor? How are you going to keep your system cooled? Do you want a fancy case? etc etc

idk who told you i7's aren't for gaming but they were lying to you

all.... I want..... is...... to know what the newest...... parts.... are........ idk why......... nobody........ can tell... me.......

I'm guessing http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121724 is the card I want I still don't fucking know if there's anything newer and better though I'd start there if god could just give me a sign from heaven telling me if that is the newest card or if there's something both cheaper and newer I'm literally going to kill myself

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it's my understanding that nothing out there can even take advantage of the i7's full capabilities, and what is out there right now is better tuned for the i5... But the i7 is most likely going to be a better investment; but who knows? It could be crap in the future

its always going to be a gamble, no one can tell you what the "best" is, because it all depends

[steveyos]

"I don't think there are many games currently available on the market that can really make use of the i7's full capabilities."


second life

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"I don't think there are many games currently available on the market that can really make use of the i7's full capabilities."


second life

does second life use hyperthreading?

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Cool your jets: Overclockers must pay toll to play on Haswell highway
http://arstechnica.com/information-t...swell-highway/

Intel has taken back the gift of "free” overclocking that it gave hardware tweakers when introducing its Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge processor lines. Geoff Gasior at The Tech Report writes that has Intel confirmed it will lock down the ability on the company's new Haswell generation of CPUs. Users will lose much of the ability to run all but the more-expensive K-series of Haswell CPUs faster than their rated clock frequency in the hope of squeezing more performance out of the processor.

Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge processors allowed for overclocking across their whole lines—not by a huge amount, but by enough to squeeze an extra 400 MHz of compute cycle out of them on the “standard” CPUs. Overclocking could achieve even more on the K-series versions.

An Intel representative told Gasior that since the standard Haswell processors are targeted for business and consumer applications “where overclocking is generally not performed,” access to the additional base clock straps of the Haswell processor are disabled in all but the K-series processors. Those run $20 to $30 more than the standard processors. (There is still a “turbo” multiplier mode available to boost performance of the CPU itself, however.)

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basically, with haswell, they threw out the hard-core computer user's ability to overclock their processor so that the processor will be more powerful by default for your average casual ninny.

[steveyos]

I'm also going to be doing video editing and all sorts of things so the extra whatevers in the i7 work for that, I mean if the i5 is better htan the i7 why is it cheaper

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I'm also going to be doing video editing and all sorts of things so the extra whatevers in the i7 work for that, I mean if the i5 is better htan the i7 why is it cheaper

research whatever programs you plan on using to see if they use hyper-threading
i.e., google "does ________________ use hyperthreading?"

[steveyos]

plus like I"ve been saying I want the best stuff available that's what I'm trying to get at here I want to spend $3600 on this not a penny less I want the best, the newest, the best and the newest and the best

[steveyos]

plus I mean look at those reviews http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...scrollFullInfo

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plus I mean look at those reviews http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...scrollFullInfo

i'm pretty sure i read somewhere that haswell is crap for overclocking, and sandy bridge or ivy bridge will outperform haswell when overclocked and cooled correctly

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I'm also going to be doing video editing and all sorts of things so the extra whatevers in the i7 work for that, I mean if the i5 is better htan the i7 why is it cheaper

the i7 is technically superior, if the software being used can take advantage of it; if it can't however, there is a small dent in performance

[steveyos]

plug drugs I appreciate your help if you want to help but you have to understand I need the best of everything including hard drive, and I think this is the tower I want http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811147157 I'm gonna stick with air cooling because it's 60F in my room

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I5 2500K is the unofficial gold standard for a Gaming Rig CPU and even it when OCed is overkill for just gaming. There is really little difference between i7 2500K and i5 2500K other than money wasted between the two and HT on the i7 which games don't use anyway. From what I have seen in some game benchmarks the i5 2500K out does the i7 2500K all others are a wash funny enough but really the i5 2500K is a Cadillac stop thinking you might get more from an i7 cause all you will get more of is a lighter wallet.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/326220-28-gaming

Ivy Bridge CPUs are about 5% more powerful than Sandy Bridge CPUs at the same clock speed.

i7 CPUs have Hyper Threading which games do not use. Benchmarks have shown that HT actually reduces game performance by 1% or 2% on average, so if you do not use any programs that can take advantage of HT, then buying a Core i7 CPU is not worth it.

Ivy Bridge CPUs do not overclock as well as Sandy Bridge CPUs. IB CPUs generally maxes out at 4.5GHz while Sandy Bridge can go as little further at about 4.8GHz to 5.0GHz. It varies from CPU to CPU and very good cooling is required.

IB CPUs generally consume about 15w - 20w less less power than SB CPUs under load.

IB CPUs have either the Intel HD 2500 / HD 4000 graphic core vs. the Intel HD 2000 / HD 3000 graphic core. For a gaming rig the integrate graphic core doesn't make much difference.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/34...e-sandy-bridge

That is correct, but by the time there is a noticeable difference between i5 and i7 even the i7's on the market today may be kinda old

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/...ure-games.html

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so as of right now, it has been the contention of the PC community for the past year and a half or so, that an i5 is better for gaming until the games of the future are able to take advantage of hyperthreading, and even when they do, the current I7s may or may not be obsolete by then

[juji]

Also change to NVIDIA GeForce GTX 760 4GB 16X