alright marco and jon the constitution is depending on u

[LadyKillmonger]

camoron was wrong for citicizing cag when she asserted that humans have a different number of chromosomes from apes.

actually humans do not have a different number of chromosomes from apes, they ARE apes

they have different chromosomes from different types of apes

apes are not just gorillas, they include humans, orangutans and chimps as well as some other types

[Moonman]

apes isn't even a scientific word; historically it always referred to non-human tail-less primates. There's the superfamily Hominoidea which includes humans, orangutans, chimps, gorillas, etc.. Cag was at no point incorrect in saying we are not apes, but we evolved from apes.

[LadyKillmonger]

apes isn't even a scientific word; historically it always referred to non-human tail-less primates. There's the superfamily Hominoidea which includes humans, orangutans, chimps, gorillas, etc.. Cag was at no point incorrect in saying we are not apes, but we evolved from apes.

actually you are incorrect it is as real a word as any the scientific name for ape which I just looked up is 'Hominoidea' of which humans are a member.

Fucking retard

"Hominoidea contains two families of living (extant) species:

Hylobatidae consists of five genera and sixteen species of gibbon, including the lar gibbon and the siamang. They are commonly referred to as lesser apes.
Hominidae consists of orangutans, gorillas, chimpanzees, bonobos and humans.[1][2] Alternatively, the hominidae family are collectively described as the great apes.[3][4][5][6] There are two extant species in the orangutan genus (Pongo), two species in the gorilla genus, and a single extant species Homo sapiens in the human genus (Homo). Chimpanzees and bonobos are closely related to each other and they represent the two species in the genus Pan."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ape

So no, again you are not chromosomely different from apes, you ARE an ape. You are chromosomely digfferent from different species of ape and even chromosomely different from other humans but to say you are chromosomely different from an ape when you are in fact technically an ape is incorrect. You are chromosomely an ape because you are a kind of ape. Retard.

[Moonman]

"Hominoidea contains two families of living (extant) species:

Hylobatidae consists of five genera and sixteen species of gibbon, including the lar gibbon and the siamang. They are commonly referred to as lesser apes.
Hominidae consists of orangutans, gorillas, chimpanzees, bonobos and humans.[1][2] Alternatively, the hominidae family are collectively described as the great apes.[3][4][5][6] There are two extant species in the orangutan genus (Pongo), two species in the gorilla genus, and a single extant species Homo sapiens in the human genus (Homo). Chimpanzees and bonobos are closely related to each other and they represent the two species in the genus Pan."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ape

oh hey okay lets look that wikipedia article cool wait a second what's this, oh, humans arent fucking considered apes:

[LadyKillmonger]

oh hey okay lets look that wikipedia article cool wait a second what's this, oh, humans arent fucking considered apes:

no that is a drawing made by someone who is offended at being called an ape

"Apes" are Hominoidea, that is the scientific term and humans are a part of the Superfamily Hominoidea.

It's not really open for debate. Ape describes a superfamily, not a specific species and humans are a part of the superfamily apes (scientific name Hominoidea)

end of story, so unless you want to invent a whole new biological clasification system, and have the scientific community actually use it then you are wrong

you know, the kingdom, phylum, class order etc.. stuff, the biological system of classification that scientists use and in that classification humans are apes.

"In recent years biologists have generally preferred to use only monophyletic groups in classifications;[citation needed] that is, only groups which include all the descendants of a common ancestor.[11] The superfamily Hominoidea is one such group (or "clade"). Some then use the term "ape" to mean all the members of the superfamily Hominoidea. For example, in a 2005 book, Benton wrote "The apes, Hominoidea, today include the gibbons and orang-utan ... the gorilla and chimpanzee ... and humans".[6] The group traditionally called "apes" by biologists is then called the "non-human apes"."

[Moonman]

no that is a drawing made by someone who is offended at being called an ape

lmao the shit you come up with

"Apes" are Hominoidea, that is the scientific term and humans are a part of the Superfamily Hominoidea.

"Apes" is a fucking word, one that predates the classification system

"Ape", from Old English apa, is possibly an onomatopoetic imitation of animal chatter. The term has a history of rather imprecise usage. Its earliest meaning was a tailless (and therefore exceptionally human-like) non-human primate.[7] The original usage of "ape" in English might have referred to the baboon, an Old World monkey.[citation needed] Two tailless species of macaque have common names including "ape": the Barbary ape of North Africa (introduced into Gibraltar), Macaca sylvanus, and the Sulawesi black ape or Celebes crested macaque, M. nigra."

[Moonman]

thats why tailless macaques are also called "apes", because "apes" is a technical word that we didnt ever use before we incorporated evolution into the zoological classification

[Moonman]

right?

[LadyKillmonger]

you were wrong

I was right

[Moonman]

oh hey okay lets look that wikipedia article cool wait a second what's this, oh, humans arent fucking considered apes:

[LadyKillmonger]

no michael

humans are classified as one of the great apes

the mistake you made was to think that "ape" referred to only gorillas, it doesn't it's a branch that includes different types of apes, of which both humans and gorillas are a part of along with a few others such as organgutans, chimps etc...

[Moonman]

no michael

humans are classified as one of the great apes

the mistake you made was to think that "ape" referred to only gorillas, it doesn't it's a branch that includes different types of apes, of which both humans and gorillas are a part of along with a few others such as organgutans, chimps etc...

no we actually do have a different chromosome count from great apes; when we split from our ancestors with chimps, one of our chromosomes is a combination of two chimp chromosomes or some shit idk google it

[LadyKillmonger]

no we actually do have a different chromosome count from great apes; when we split from our ancestors with chimps, one of our chromosomes is a combination of two chimp chromosomes or some shit idk google it

No.

we all have a common ancestor somewhere along the line

doesn't change the fact that we are part of the superfamily of apes

[Moonman]

14 hours ago:

apes isn't even a scientific word; historically it always referred to non-human tail-less primates. There's the superfamily Hominoidea which includes humans, orangutans, chimps, gorillas, etc.. Cag was at no point incorrect in saying we are not apes, but we evolved from apes.

9 hours ago:

uh most words pre-date the biological classification system you fucking moron

that doesn't change the fact that humans are part of the superfamily Hominoidea

the word "ape" was given a scientific name like everything was, that scientific name is Hominoidea and of which humans are included.

Humans are one of the great apes you dumb piece of of shit.

[Moonman]

first instance is on page 2, 15 hours ago:

apes isn't even a scientific word; historically it always referred to non-human tail-less primates. There's the superfamily Hominoidea which includes humans, orangutans, chimps, gorillas, etc.. Cag was at no point incorrect in saying we are not apes, but we evolved from apes.

[LadyKillmonger]

lol

[LadyKillmonger]

actually humans do not have a different number of chromosomes from apes, they ARE apes

they have different chromosomes from different types of apes

apes are not just gorillas, they include humans, orangutans and chimps as well as some other types

I made this post before you backpeddled

[LadyKillmonger]

actually humans do not have a different number of chromosomes from apes, they ARE apes

they have different chromosomes from different types of apes

apes are not just gorillas, they include humans, orangutans and chimps as well as some other types

Nope.

Here it is right there on the second page, my very post on the subject.

Try again.

[Moonman]

Nope.

Here it is right there on the second page, my very post on the subject.

Try again.

when the fuck did i say that apes were only gorillas? Where does this shit come from in your head?

[LadyKillmonger]

actually humans do not have a different number of chromosomes from apes, they ARE apes

they have different chromosomes from different types of apes

apes are not just gorillas, they include humans, orangutans and chimps as well as some other types

Nope.

Here it is right there on the second page, my very post on the subject, long before your post.

Try again.