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    you're assuming something that i haven't read your rubbish. this time i did and i admit, i usually scroll past everything you write. you believe you know google's it poslicies from reading one article (probably watching a 15 minute thing about them) and have no idea how individual parts of their corporation work - none of what you said would at all be useful to anything but their app development sector. this whole discussion began discussing security and you are talking utter bullshit talking about giving everyone administrator access. yes withon the confines of some structure put in place for a certain reason - most importantly to facilitate productivity - there has to be some system put in place which will always put limitations on what a person can do.
    the bigger your operation for manageablility if not anything else you have to impose more and more structure. if you're a 2 man operation you can do whatever the fuck you want. when i managed 1500 servers at 700 restaurants with all of their little payment screens and kitchen printers, restaurant lighting and music systems, kitchen display screens, printers and payment systems, etc. there were rules that had to be imposed for all of it to be manageable for the people who worked with it at the restaurant on a day to day basis and for those of us at the network operations center pushing changes (yeah through push gravity) and fixing problems remotely.
    when working with this shit at the restaurants and the computers at the airports and the computers at our office buildings we had to have shit set up the same way everywhere with certain images for certain things because it would have been a mess if it was left up to each person.
    i've worked in situations where i've had to deal with a 5 man office, 20 man office, graphics studio, lawyer's office, doctor's office, etc. and they are ALL different and have different security and accessibilitiy needs
    what you're talking about is either utter naive or moot at best or outright wrong (which you usually are).

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    Quote Originally Posted by m0nde View Post
    you're assuming something that i haven't read your rubbish. this time i did and i admit, i usually scroll past everything you write. you believe you know google's it poslicies from reading one article (probably watching a 15 minute thing about them) and have no idea how individual parts of their corporation work - none of what you said would at all be useful to anything but their app development sector. this whole discussion began discussing security and you are talking utter bullshit talking about giving everyone administrator access. yes withon the confines of some structure put in place for a certain reason - most importantly to facilitate productivity - there has to be some system put in place which will always put limitations on what a person can do.
    the bigger your operation for manageablility if not anything else you have to impose more and more structure. if you're a 2 man operation you can do whatever the fuck you want. when i managed 1500 servers at 700 restaurants with all of their little payment screens and kitchen printers, restaurant lighting and music systems, kitchen display screens, printers and payment systems, etc. there were rules that had to be imposed for all of it to be manageable for the people who worked with it at the restaurant on a day to day basis and for those of us at the network operations center pushing changes (yeah through push gravity) and fixing problems remotely.
    when working with this shit at the restaurants and the computers at the airports and the computers at our office buildings we had to have shit set up the same way everywhere with certain images for certain things because it would have been a mess if it was left up to each person.
    i've worked in situations where i've had to deal with a 5 man office, 20 man office, graphics studio, lawyer's office, doctor's office, etc. and they are ALL different and have different security and accessibilitiy needs
    what you're talking about is either utter naive or moot at best or outright wrong (which you usually are).
    Well yeah I mean I've never worked for google and yeah all I did was read a few articles about their model for management.
    You do know more than me about this line of business, so point taken; no need to get hostile though.

    I did mention in an earlier post that parts of the company that have to manage finances need tight security; but yeah, like you said, development teams should be granted all the privileges they want or need. Pretty much everyone else too, even medical clinics.
    Do you know how simplistic and restricting the software is that doctors use when prescribing medication is? Doctors basically aren't allowed to reach conclusions on their own anymore because the computer hasn't indexed any alternative diagnoses aside from ones that big pharm companies provided. It's more than just a little embarrassing that software written by some guy without a whole lot of review by medical professionals before being implemented is bossing around a doctor who went to school for 8 years
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plug Drugs View Post
    Doctors basically aren't allowed to reach conclusions on their own anymore because the computer hasn't indexed any alternative diagnoses aside from ones that big pharm companies provided. It's more than just a little embarrassing that software written by some guy without a whole lot of review by medical professionals before being implemented is bossing around a doctor who went to school for 8 years
    again youre talking shit. please sgtop

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    Quote Originally Posted by m0nde View Post
    again youre talking shit. please sgtop
    I don't think I am
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    And marks said it was indeed a development team he was managing a server for
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plug Drugs View Post
    And marks said it was indeed a development team he was managing a server for
    no, it was front office, which is secretaries sales people and marketing. the developers have admin access, because it's necessary, but they're also explicitly isolated from everything but the source control servers and on a separate NAT and a thousand other precautions that you wouldn't understand if I explained them to you


    I don;'t manage "a" server, I manage 60 of them
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    wait, you were quoting what I said about doctors. I am entirely right about that actually.
    Doctors can't prescribe specific doses of medication or meds for off-label uses outside of what the software allows; the software makes it a hassle to do so - it was written by a 3rd party which the company owns the clinic hired, and it was designed with money, not the health of the patients, in mind. Most of the information the software developer used as a basis when writing it up was provided by pharmaceutical companies, not medical literature.
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    And it's all because IT guys and software developers restricted what people can or can not do on their computers.
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    They need to re-envision how doctors prescribe medication and look up information -- but that would basically require the government to step in and start bossing around hospitals and clinics and kicking out pharmaceutical lobbyists.
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    Doctors and hospitals should never need a pharmaceutical company to lobby and promote a drug; appropriate medication should be prescribed based on medical literature, not a pharmaceutical corporation's recommendation.
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    Worst of all, the people writing bills to put any sort of plan to fix things into action are either:
    A) agenda driven
    B) terrible writers

    I'm hoping that the medical system gets an overhaul soon, or is in the works right now, and doesn't make it worse.

    The whole ebola thing might have been a blessing in disguise, because it gave the government permission to bust in the door of the hospitals and cuss out all the bad little boys and girls who've been fucking shit up
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plug Drugs View Post
    Worst of all, the people writing bills to put any sort of plan to fix things into action are either:
    A) agenda driven
    B) terrible writers

    I'm hoping that the medical system gets an overhaul soon, or is in the works right now, and doesn't make it worse.

    The whole ebola thing might have been a blessing in disguise, because it gave the government permission to bust in the door of the hospitals and cuss out all the bad little boys and girls who've been fucking shit up
    yeah i was surprised that the niggers and vietnamese who were put in charge of thaking care of these people weren't hazmat certified. but that's the opposite of what you're saying. yo're on about giving people the freedom to do what they want instead of following guidelines.
    if these people had followed proper safety procedures, if this shit was kicked into their skulls and checked by some slavemaster overseer, eespecially in such a high profile set of cases none of the fallout would have happened

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    Quote Originally Posted by m0nde View Post
    yeah i was surprised that the niggers and vietnamese who were put in charge of thaking care of these people weren't hazmat certified. but that's the opposite of what you're saying. yo're on about giving people the freedom to do what they want instead of following guidelines.
    if these people had followed proper safety procedures, if this shit was kicked into their skulls and checked by some slavemaster overseer, eespecially in such a high profile set of cases none of the fallout would have happened
    yeah

    yo're on about giving people the freedom to do what they want instead of following guidelines.
    No one can be entirely Apollonian or entirely Dionysian; in my opinion, any philosophy for an ideology has to be fine-tuned at certain scales and accomodate for both left and right
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plug Drugs View Post
    yeah


    No one can be entirely Apollonian or entirely Dionysian; in my opinion, any philosophy for an ideology has to be fine-tuned at certain scales and accomodate for both left and right
    in a situation like this you want to be as rigid and anal and by the books as possible. why would you open up your own asshole to getting stuff rammed into it when you do something wrong? why? because it was niggers and vietnamese who don't give a shit what they're doing and were not trained correctly or monitored correctly, that's why

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    Quote Originally Posted by m0nde View Post
    yeah i was surprised that the niggers and vietnamese
    It's not an issue of race. If you want to hear my opinion which is slightly closer to the truth, it seems like minorities in hospitals are often given the jobs that people usually do not want to do.
    I'm almost sick of talking poorly of hospitals at this point and just don't even want to bother doing it anymore, but one thing I personally have noticed is that high risk high stress low pay jobs are often given to minorities. I am not sure if this was semi-intentional, subconscious, or if they merely wound up with the job because they weren't one of the people who asked not to do it.

    Visiting my grandfather in hospice, the night nurse there barely spoke English. I guess no one wants to work nights in hospice, but they do need to have someone there at night, so basically whoever applies for that job gets it.

    Again, it's not an issue of race at all. For me, the issue was the language barrier. Due to a technicality, no one was giving my grandfather pain meds in hospice before we showed up.. Literally nothing. No. Pain. Medication. We almost had to start arguing with the night nurse to get him put on pain meds. I don't know what it was; at the time I thought maybe she had been told explicitly by someone not to give out pain medication willy nilly or she'll get fired, so she took this very seriously and simply would not give pain meds out at all.

    Here is the part that seriously bothers me though. He couldn't have even asked for pain meds if he wanted to. He had just had an unsuccessful surgery to remove throat cancer which ended disasterously; the cancer had sort of softened/weakened and ate away at the tissue between the esophagus and the trachea, so when they tried to remove the tumor, they ripped right through into his trachea.. He couldn't talk obviously, and hence could not ask for pain medication.

    The doctor had assured my aunt, however, that they would make sure he was pain free in hospice on plenty of pain meds until he passed. When we showed up the night of the next day though, of course, no one was giving him any pain medication whatsoever.

    The only thing even remotely resembling an excuse that I can think of is that the doctor determined that narcotics could end up prolonging his suffering; if the brain is in a state of euphoria, the individual may cling to life even when their body would naturally otherwise opt to accept death, as the body and brain usually recognize when an injury is beyond repair, but opiates could theoretically prevent the brain from recognizing the traumatic state of the body.
    But I don't think that was the case, because after we PUSHED to get him pain medication, it immediately helped. He was able to relax and go to sleep, and I literally heard a sigh of relief of his pain dissipating once the medication kicked in. He died peacefully in his sleep a few hours later.

    If we hadn't been there to make sure he got humane treatment, his last hours would have been completely miserable
    I am just glad we were able to be there for him, and glad that we were able to help him out by being there
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