PRESIDENT Barack Obama

[blumpkin blownuts]

if i cut down a bunch of cops with a machine gun & flee should i have due process?
if your guy johnson was president and i point a handgun at him and the secret service is not within arms reach of me, should i have due process?

[maks]

if i cut down a bunch of cops with a machine gun & flee should i have due process?

yes

if your guy johnson was president and i point a handgun at him and the secret service is not within arms reach of me, should i have due process?

yes, assuming you aren't killed by the agents when they shoot you reacting to the immediate threat.

I know the point you're trying to make, and it's stupid. This guy in Yemen didn't have a gun to anyone's head, he didn't have his finger on a nuclear button, he was running a fucking training camp.

Might as well bomb your dealer's house, cause after all there just might be a gun in there somewhere and we're not about to risk some brave police officer's life to apprehend him, right? Lets drop napalm on the OWS protesters, you never know one of those faggots might be armed and it's not worth putting American lives at risk to apprehend them. Lets just give the government the freedom to kill anyone any time they want, I'm sure they'll always have a really good reason.

[blumpkin blownuts]

you're trying to confuse imminent threat with potential for threat
this al-awlaki was actively trying to get americans blown up. before that he was a bona fide enemy combatant -- if it were up to me i would jerk the citizenship of americans who do what he did; then there wouldn't be a reason to freak out over your own rights just because some sworn enemy of his own freedom had his rights taken as a result

[maks]

you're trying to confuse imminent threat with potential for threat

No, you're doing that, with the examples you cited. I'm trying to put things back in perspective. The federal government could just as easily declare any one of us a 'potential threat' and if they don't have to answer to anyone what's to stop them from pulling this shit at home?

this al-awlaki was actively trying to get americans blown up. before that he was a bona fide enemy combatant -- if it were up to me i would jerk the citizenship of americans who do what he did; then there wouldn't be a reason to freak out over your own rights just because some sworn enemy of his own freedom had his rights taken as a result

The only evidence I have of any of this is Obama's word, which means jack shit coming from a president who ignores the constitution whenever it's inconvenient. He's a bigger traitor than the guy he killed, he's done more damage to this country than al-awaki could have done in 100 years.

[blumpkin blownuts]

No, you're doing that, with the examples you cited. I'm trying to put things back in perspective. The federal government could just as easily declare any one of us a 'potential threat' and if they don't have to answer to anyone what's to stop them from pulling this shit at home?

that's exactly what i'm saying - all of us are already a potential threat. that's not enough to strip us of due process, and that's why it hasn't happened yet - not without somebody presenting an imminent threat.

[blumpkin blownuts]

The only evidence I have of any of this is Obama's word, which means jack shit coming from a president who ignores the constitution whenever it's inconvenient. He's a bigger traitor than the guy he killed, he's done more damage to this country than al-awaki could have done in 100 years.

obama doesn't make this shit up, he analyzes reports in the presidential daily briefings.

just like W didn't make up the lie that saddam was stockpiling yellowcake - that was from bad intel cherrypicked by assholes in the pocket of the military-industrial complex

[maks]

that's exactly what i'm saying - all of us are already a potential threat. that's not enough to strip us of due process, and that's why it hasn't happened yet - not without somebody presenting an imminent threat.

on what planet is running a training camp considered an imminent threat?

[maks]

"that crack dealer is going to shoot a rival crack dealer in 3 weeks, lets not arrest him lets just blow up his house after all he's an immediate danger right"

[maks]

obama doesn't make this shit up, he analyzes reports in the presidential daily briefings.

just like W didn't make up the lie that saddam was stockpiling yellowcake - that was from bad intel cherrypicked by assholes in the pocket of the military-industrial complex

The purpose of a trial is to demonstrate to us, the people, the folks in charge, that the government isn't just making shit up. Deprived of that, I'm forced to conclude that Obama is lying and did not have a valid reason to kill my fellow citizen.

[steveyos]

reddit

[maks]

reddit would not be bashing obama, go post in your subforum stevey men are talking

[steveyos]

yawn

no, shedding tears over the checks and balances that prevented the president from overstepping his authority and murdering american citizens. every american is entitled to due process, I don't care what he's done.

technically al awlaki was considered an enemy combatant in a war

[steveyos]

yawn

[maks]

technically al awlaki was considered an enemy combatant in a war

technically we haven't been at war since 1945

obama doesn't make this shit up, he analyzes reports in the presidential daily briefings.

just like W didn't make up the lie that saddam was stockpiling yellowcake - that was from bad intel cherrypicked by assholes in the pocket of the military-industrial complex

they actually did find some chemical weapons in iraq, wikileaks leaked that info in 2010

[juji]

Rubynet is political board now

[steveyos]

exactly elz, it's not a comedy forum any more

[doctor remulak]

I am Doctor Remulak.

[internutt]

On Friday, I went to the polls and proudly cast my early voter ballot for incumbent President Barack Obama (I have photographic proof if need be to confirm). While my vote may not have an electoral vote outcome, I was still proud to support this man. In 48~ hours, Barack Obama will be reelected as president of this wonderful, free country. Since most of y'all are 15 and the others are filthy foreigners, I'll proudly claim as the only person who voted in the 2012 election. I represent 100% Rubynetters in the election. No I wont support Gary Johnson. No I wont support Jill Stein. No I wont support Mittens Romney. I may shed a tear when Obama takes Ohio....

I'm love for you guys to be on my side, but if not, that's fine too..

Barack Obama is my president, and will be the US' president for the next four years. And there's nothing you haters and racists can do about it. Absolutely nothing. <3

YES. WE. CAN.

FORWARD!

lol, congrats US

[Lexi Persimmons]

BB where you been?

bb, post pics

[maks]

lol, congrats US

I don't think things would have been any different if romney had won, but I really wanted to see the look on obama's smug asswipe face when he made his concession speech...

well, another 4 years of ramen ranting will be fun

they voted to make puerto rico a state so ramen will be getting statehood.