Ruby is the king

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YTMNSFW: Here we know our philosophy.

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YTMNSFW: Here we know our philosophy.

lol

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When you span the angles, all that's left is this:
Mind, is God.
Force, is Machine.

There are two "machines", which are openly connected. Mind is the energy-signal driving input, Force is the power signal prime mover.

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When you span the angles, all that's left is this:
Mind, is God.
Force, is Machine.

There are two "machines", which are openly connected. Mind is the energy-signal driving input, Force is the power signal prime mover.

ah but I do not believe in a prime mover as it simply begs more questions of what came before

positing a prime mover is a failure to concieve of infinity

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ah but I do not believe in a prime mover as it simply begs more questions of what came before

positing a prime mover is a failure to concieve of infinity

every machine with driven elements has a prime mover. It is folly to attempt conception of infinity from even an ideal flywheel, by default.

What came before the prime mover was the machine that built it, and the mind that deigned it.
So it is then possible to conceive of negative infinity, working further backwards.

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every machine with driven elements has a prime mover. It is folly to attempt conception of infinity from even an ideal flywheel, by default.

no the necessity of your mind to posit a prime mover results from your mind's failure to concieve of infinity and eternity which if you continue to "up" questions in philosophy you must ultimately reach and be unable to answer

if at any stage you liken the universe to a man made machine or need to posit a prime mover or god in your conceptions then you have failed in "upping" your philosophical questions

you see infinity falls in on itself when we try to concieve of it and so many who cannot properly concieve of infinity must posit a prime mover... however this is only a backstep and backpeddle in your philosophy because it still begs the question of what is the "prime mover" ... because if nothing moved the prime mover and nothing was before the prime mover then the prime mover is infinate and so therefore cannot even be a prime mover

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Define "prime mover", before I give you my definition. You're getting lost in a detail or trying to say I'm claiming something I never did. If we find this bottle-neck is due to your poor reading comprehension, then this game ends IMMEDIATELY.

if at any stage you liken the universe to a man made machine or need to posit a prime mover or god in your conceptions then you have failed in "upping" your philosophical questions

In a physical machine, the prime mover is moderated by the input Force (aka the excitation) to the initial driving element, e.g. a water wheel, a lightning bolt, an automotive starter assy. the prime mover is then the piece that transfers, at a predictable level, Force to all attached components of the machine.

God is not a prime mover. God is related via it's own extension, Mind, to the input phase of an existential machine, or even a modern machine.

Think: UserInput:Mind::EngineControls:Force

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rubycalaber please ban every one who is over teh age of 60

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rubycalaber please ban every one who is over teh age of 60

whats that in lizard years

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whats that in lizard years

past expiration date

[juji]

shit, i hate these posters who discuss about pointless topics

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shit, i hate these posters who discuss about pointless topics

LOL

but that's the point... I think

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shit, i hate these posters who discuss about pointless topics

it is very anoyieng elz.

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you cannot philisophically prove the existence of God to me

I got high distinctions in finding the flaws of logic on philosphers who tried to do just that

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hm... you beleve in god? [chuckles] I believe ... in flying spaghetti monster [smriks until smirk covers entire face]. By the way I am a very prolific poster on the YTMNSFw Forums, I'm known as the "Zany" one there.

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hm... you beleve in god? [chuckles] I believe ... in flying spaghetti monster [smriks until smirk covers entire face]. By the way I am a very prolific poster on the YTMNSFw Forums, I'm known as the "Zany" one there.

blownuts is arguing that you can philosphically prove the existence of God, I am arguing that you cannot and that it is a fundamental flaw in philisophical logic

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tldr thread summary please

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I believe in macro and micro infinity

if there was ever a definate point of beginning or end then things could not move at all

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buddhism has no need of a prime mover

so you'd be wrong to think all religions need one

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for example some say that mass cannot be infinite because if space and mass are both infinite then the mass would take up all the space... this again is a failure in the concept of infinity

I can explain this by using an analogy (as much as I hate analogies as they are cop out BUT...) if I had a piece of string that went for infinity and every 1 cm along that piece of sting I tied a knot, the string would still go for infinity, there would be an infinte amount of knots and and still an infinite amount of space in between those knots

[blumpkin blownuts]

for example some say that mass cannot be infinite because if space and mass are both infinite then the mass would take up all the space... this again is a failure in the concept of infinity

what about volume?
suppose space and mass both are infinite, mass is still less than space in any differential frame of the universe
space and mass are indeterminate, but not necessarily infinite
only time is infinite. and space, and matter, are tangential functions of time (e.g. we have been here before, we will soon leave, and much later we will all be here again)

I can explain this by using an analogy (as much as I hate analogies as they are cop out BUT...) if I had a piece of string that went for infinity and every 1 cm along that piece of sting I tied a knot, the string would still go for infinity, there would be an infinte amount of knots and and still an infinite amount of space in between those knots

but there's room for "infinite" knots and "infinite" string. they simply have slightly different determinations of infinity

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what about volume?
suppose space and mass both are infinite, mass is still less than space in any differential frame of the universe
space and mass are indeterminate, but not necessarily infinite
only time is infinite. and space, and matter, are tangential functions of time (e.g. we have been here before, we will soon leave, and much later we will all be here again)



but there's room for "infinite" knots and "infinite" string. they simply have slightly different determinations of infinity

YES!

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also the fact that energy never dies, it just changes form is sometimes used as philosophical proof of god

however I believe it can also be proof that there is in fact no prime mover

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simple fact of the matter is there is no proof

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I just came in my pants a little

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*lights smoke*

yeah I know what a prime mover is

it's something that doesn't exist is what ;P

[blumpkin blownuts]

*lights smoke*

yeah I know what a prime mover is

it's something that doesn't exist is what ;P

it exists in any machine. dynamos, flywheels, pendulums, combustion motors, pumps and many more equipment can be prime movers in a machine

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it exists in any machine. dynamos, flywheels, pendulums, combustion motors, pumps and many more equipment can be prime movers in a machine

the energy that starts the prime mover in a machine still comes from somewhere else and technically that could be called the prime mover and so on adn so on until you reach the big blow-out (perviously known as the big bang) of our universe at which point you still need to ask what is the prime mover of the big blow-out... see where I'm going

for example on the bike, the legs move the peddle, our body moves our legs our body moves through energy gotten elsewhere, either through food or being moved by another object.......

[blumpkin blownuts]

the energy that starts the prime mover in a machine still comes from somewhere else [YES] and technically that could be called the prime mover and so on adn so on [NO]

The prime mover is inertial in nature. It must incur an excitation source to perform mechanical work.
The excitation source is natural Force

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The prime mover is inertial in nature. It must incur an excitation source to perform mechanical work.
The excitation source is natural Force

but there is nothing in nature that is intertial, nothing at all