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    Quote Originally Posted by GulDucat View Post
    Single photons cannot travel faster than the speed of light, our results bring a closure to the debate on the true speed of information carried by a single photon.
    Actually the speed of light is only constant locally; it is possible to violate the speed of light in space that is dilated due to the presence of mass.
    If you took a super duper incredibly long stick (teacher holds up yard stick and proceeds to act out his example) that was several times longer than the diameter of the sun and put it through the exact center of the sun, that stick would appear shorter than it would if you stuck it alongside the sun. This is because the density of the sun's mass increases toward the center, and due to the dilating effect mass has on spacetime, there is literally "more space" toward the center of the sun.
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    i thought that wsan't cag. i thought it was stevey

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    Plug drugs leans over and kisses cags stripper ear lobe. Oh cag its so nice to finally be with a woman he moans
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    Doli scoops up the tiny lisa and slams her up against the wall, pounding that fresh brown cunt with his giant cock. Cameron is sweating heavily
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plug Drugs View Post
    Actually the speed of light is only constant locally; it is possible to violate the speed of light in space that is dilated due to the presence of mass.
    If you took a super duper incredibly long stick (teacher holds up yard stick and proceeds to act out his example) that was several times longer than the diameter of the sun and put it through the exact center of the sun, that stick would appear shorter than it would if you stuck alongside the sun. This is because the density of the sun's mass increases toward the center, and due to the dilating effect mass has on spacetime, there is literally "more space" toward the center of the sun.
    you tak alot of shit and pronounce things which are obviuos. all of us have read this shit or watched specials hoted by stephen hawking

    the only thing that can make things seem like they're moving faster than the speed of light is space expanding. the further you look out into space you can see things moving away from us faster and faster and it does become faster than the speed of light and that's dark energy expanding the fabric of space

    now shut up. photons cannot go faster than c. tachyons are theorized to do so, but they haven't been discoverd

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    You know why you never heard that in a physics class when you were a kid? Because science classes in the United States haven't had an update in curriculum since about 1910.
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    Quote Originally Posted by m0nde View Post
    you tak alot of shit and pronounce things which are obviuos. all of us have read this shit or watched specials hoted by stephen hawking

    the only thing that can make things seem like they're moving faster than the speed of light is space expanding. the further you look out into space you can see things moving away from us faster and faster and it does become faster than the speed of light and that's dark energy expanding the fabric of space

    now shut up. photons cannot go faster than c. tachyons are theorized to do so, but they haven't been discoverd
    Monde u r so fucking hot
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    yeah you know why you think you know all this shit? you read some bullshit and you don't really comprehend what you're reading or the implications and then you talk to complete batshit bogans about it and gaze at your navels and when you finally try to extrapolate something new you come up with more bullshit because you haven't understood anything in the first place

    i remember you and lisa going on about m theory and p branes and shit. yeah everyone knows that brian greene shit. it's totally theoretical and i remember lisa going on abot how no one here knows anytning about it and only plugdrugs can tlk to her on her level

    the truth is no one is interested in talking to morons about this shit. they just let it pass

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plug Drugs View Post
    You know why you never heard that in a physics class when you were a kid? Because science classes in the United States haven't had an update in curriculum since about 1910.
    yeah you remember that thing had the lhc where they thought a signal had gone faster than the speed of light>? it was a glitch . mass cannot make a photon go faster than the speed of light. even in a black hole it won't go faster. the relative frames may make the speeds seem differnt to an observer but that's BASIC and you didn't even understand that BASIC thing about relativity.

    a photon moves as an electromagetic particle/wave. the electric field and the magnetic field accellerate each other and there's a cosomological constant which stops c from going beyond a certain speed. this again is BASIC

    so please stop

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    ive got a black hole for you, monde
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    Quote Originally Posted by m0nde View Post
    you tak alot of shit and pronounce things which are obviuos. all of us have read this shit or watched specials hoted by stephen hawking
    No I don't, no you don't, and no they don't. You may have heard and caught snippets of these topics in physics but never actually put too much thought into what they meant or were even talking about.

    This kid I knew in high school who always sort of acted like a smarmy intellectual posted some dumb smug nonsense on facebook about the number pi, and how it was inherent in the universe around us and beautiful and posted some dumb image with a bunch of colors and the symbol pi and awww ain't that inspiring. I responded "but do the Euclidean dimensions actually even exist?" and explained that in reality, a sphere having mass will have a diameter that is longer than what you'd expect if you took its circumference divided by pi, and even then an object's location can never be known with arbitrary precision and things like diameter or circumference can't ever be accurately measured or observed in reality, and even less so for numbers like pi. And then he responded like a cocky smartass and said the theory I was talking about I didn't know anything about, but I linked him to this http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/relativity/stcurve.pdf
    it's actually the other way around and the common perception of the theory of relativity is something the general public still hasn't been able to wrap their heads around, and the most you'll hear about it on TV is some highly watered down special hosted by morgan freeman on the science channel or for explaining a cheesy plot device in poorly written science fiction.
    An actual grasp on relativity is a book-length subject, and getting the watered down briefing about it from Dr Who or whoever isn't the same thing as actually reading an early 20th century book on physics or something that was actually written by Einstein himself and the "ahah!" moment you experience when you suddenly "get it" and blow your own mind.
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    that's from the movie pi you idiot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by m0nde View Post

    the only thing that can make things seem like they're moving faster than the speed of light is space expanding. the further you look out into space you can see things moving away from us faster and faster and it does become faster than the speed of light and that's dark energy expanding the fabric of space

    now shut up. photons cannot go faster than c. tachyons are theorized to do so, but they haven't been discoverd
    I like how you said I'm incorrect then go on to talk about space expanding causing the speed of light to appear violated on a macroscopic scale, which is exactly the same thing I said in the post you were replying to
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    Wait a second are we having some sly jerk off contest here where you tell me I'm wrong, say the same exact thing I said with the only difference being that you said it instead of me, then feel like you have a big dick when everyone agrees with you instead of me?
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    pseudo-intellectuals always ramble on about quantam physics and philosophy because they are vague topics that most people don't know or care about.
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    If gravity is the result of space itself being dilated by mass is common grade school shit, then please tell me some more about it, because its hard for me to wrap my head around, and for most physicists to wrap their head around as well, so if you have some sort of knowledge on the subject which would help illustrate its simplicity, I encourage you to share it
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    Looking in to theoretical physics and expecting any practical application to come from it is a lot like buying lottery tickets and expecting to win.. It takes no prior qualifications to become knowledgeable in theoretical physics, but it's not a harness-able trade skill either. If you show an interest in it and have a keen inventive mind, you can become good at it, but your chance of ever having a use for the knowledge other than something cool to tell people at parties is about as good as it is for winning the lottery.

    Einstein was a clerk at a patent office before he published the theory of relativity; most of the great experiments conducted in the late 19th and early 20th century which lead to our modern understanding of physics were conducted at home with crude materials. Some of those people who may have been thought of as childish quacks conducting quackery in their shed at odd hours went on to have their work ultimately contribute to the creation of things like the atomic bomb.

    I'd ask you to show a little respect and keep that in mind the next time you look at these topics and think they are somehow foolish or beneath you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GulDucat View Post
    pseudo-intellectuals always ramble on about quantam physics and philosophy because they are vague topics that most people don't know or care about.
    I don't think that "quantum physics proves that God exists!" or any of that other nutjob stuff; I like to appreciate the math of it, I like my physics and science served cold.

    There's been a few nuts out there who turned around and made nutjob books on quantum physics almost making it out to be a religion, and to be perfectly honest they probably made a killing from it whilst not actually having a clue if what they were saying could be backed by any kind of evidence.
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    There's this really terrible new-age movie called "What the bleep do we know" and there's this scene showing a famous experiment in quantum physics called the double slit experiment. They actually did a good job showing the basic layout of the experiment, even though the rest of the movie was shit, but then they ended it by making it out as having mystical implications..

    If you want to start a cult and make a killing, write a book on physics talking all about possible implications while talking very little about things that have actually been tested out firsthand in experiments.
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    Lisa FACTS: lisa prefers unemployed fat guys

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    The cool thing about Einstein's relativity is that you can arrive at an understanding of it and deduce its validity with nothing but logic alone.. Relativity was just a thought experiment proposed by Einstein for years before there was ever actually any experimental evidence supporting it.
    Einstein and company had to try and make a visit to a solar eclipse at the exact location it was visible in order to back relativity with experimental evidence; and in the early 1900s, that's a lot more difficult than it sounds. There was no air travel and they had to zig zag through international borders of countries at war with each other and travel halfway around the globe to get to the right location and be there at the right time, and cross their fingers that it wasn't cloudy.
    They did all that to gather experimental evidence for something that would probably sound pretty quacky if you tried explaining to a layperson why you were traveling halfway around the globe to catch a solar eclipse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GulDucat View Post
    Einstein's theory of fat
    You ever think that it's kind of foolish and a little embarrassing to insult something about a person when that insult applies equally or even moreso to yourself?
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    Here's the thought experiment which lead to special relativity:
    "...a paradox upon which I had already hit at the age of sixteen: If I pursue a beam of light with the velocity c (velocity of light in a vacuum), I should observe such a beam of light as an electromagnetic field at rest though spatially oscillating. There seems to be no such thing, however, neither on the basis of experience nor according to Maxwell's equations. From the very beginning it appeared to me intuitively clear that, judged from the standpoint of such an observer, everything would have to happen according to the same laws as for an observer who, relative to the earth, was at rest. For how should the first observer know or be able to determine, that he is in a state of fast uniform motion? One sees in this paradox the germ of the special relativity theory is already contained."
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    Basically, to be chasing after a beam of light at the same speed that it's traveling would require simultaneity between the observer and the beam of light, which can't exist according to special relativity.
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    You ever think that it's kind of foolish and a little embarrassing to insult something about a person when that insult applies equally or even moreso to yourself?
    no u.

    It would be embarrassing if I was actually fat like you. lmao
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    And in order for an object to accelerate to the speed of light, the energy required is infinite.
    If you were traveling at the speed of light and turned on a flash light, how fast would the light emitted from the flashlight be traveling? Such a scenario can't exist, because the concept of "space" is illusory. You can not travel faster than the speed of light because the speed which light travels at is a part of the innate mechanics of space itself that give value to notions like "speed" or "distance" in the first place. To be traveling faster than light would be to travel faster than the very thing giving 'traveling' any metric to begin with.

    This also leads to the conclusion that the speed of light is always locally constant.
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    Once you finally have your head wrapped around that, go back and take a look at something like gravity which according to Newtonian physics violates every single thing you just got done wrapping your head around..
    Start off first of all by throwing out the Newtonian notion that gravity's effect is instantaneous; if no information, interaction between particles, or relation between anything and anything can travel faster than the speed of light, then gravity has to be traveling at either equal to or less than the speed of light. Well what is gravity? Newtonian physics made it out as an invisible connection tethering all matter together, with pulling on one particle having an instant gravitational effect on another particle. The more you think about it, the more that concept seems ridiculous, since if gravitational interactions occurred instantaneously, then all particles in the gravitational system would be stagnate/unchanging, since any inertia given to one particle would have an instant and equally distributed effect on all particles it was tethered to, and no change in position between the particles would ever occur at all.

    So what causes gravity? If we go back to the thought experiment mentioned earlier that lead to special relativity, it ultimately forces a person to give their concept of space a complete overhaul. The phenomenon of space and time are intertwined as spacetime, which can be thought of as a cosmic byproduct produced by the nature of light and energy.
    Gravity results due to the presence of matter dilating spacetime; the reason matter does this can be attributed to the fundamental differences between light and matter.
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    Light requires time to propagate, even though nothing can travel faster than it.
    No objects have values of location or velocity outside of their relation to other objects, and simultaneity between two different events isn't possible.
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