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    But I remember thinking "shit"

    I thought I was hardcore learning about protons and electrons in secondary science and there was telling a bunch of primary school kids to cross graph some quarks, no shit.

    They are starting them early on this shit because I'm not sure anyone knows what the fuck is going on
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    But I'm all for smashing some more shit together and seeing what happens
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    And we'll get the 5 year olds to graph it
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    if we can dump the whole 'attraction that comes out of thin air' thing that's still attached to gravity, then several enormous puzzle pieces just fell in our lap
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    It would mean we could look at the shape of the universe right now and just based on the shape, know where it's been and know where it's going; and then based on that knowledge, fill in the rest of the blanks left in particle physics
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    Here we go, just found out that no-one really knows how gravity works on really short distances and I just found out something called "Planck length" so you go sink your teeth into that one.
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    Oh god and now I just thought of how light (photons) bends with gravity but has no mass but then that's easy because it's the space time field that is warped and that's what gravity is.

    But at what kind of scale does all this break down?

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_scale

    There, you should like this
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lisa View Post
    Oh god and now I just thought of how light (photons) bends with gravity but has no mass but then that's easy because it's the space time field that is warped and that's what gravity is.

    But at what kind of scale does all this break down?

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_scale

    There, you should like this
    There are no locations, only relations. So at planck length, Euclidean space turns in to gobbledygook
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plug Drugs View Post
    There are no locations, only relations. So at planck length, Euclidean space turns in to gobbledygook
    So what happens to gravity at a Planck length?
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    Unfuckingbelievable, I'm right, once again, after receiving all the shit in the world from everybody
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plug Drugs View Post
    Unfuckingbelievable, I'm right, once again, after receiving all the shit in the world from everybody
    LMAO you are not fucking right, not at all, you have skirted around these concepts, mixed them up, made them up and done everything EXCEPT get them right lol. I'm helping you study now.
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    I think it doesn't work at such a small scale which is why they have discovered the other forces that do... I mean I don't know but I would expect IF gravity was acting on a Planck length scale it would be easy enough for us to observe these days
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lisa View Post
    I think it doesn't work at such a small scale which is why they have discovered the other forces that do... I mean I don't know but I would expect IF gravity was acting on a Planck length scale it would be easy enough for us to observe these days
    Gravity IS what makes up the planck length scale; imagine there's an invisible tether between every single particle in the entire universe, then all the wiring looking like a grid.
    Now, instead of that, imagine particles emit a field out in all directions constantly which dwindles over distance. The waves from all of those fields from every particle in the universe is what forms the backbone of space
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plug Drugs View Post
    Gravity IS what makes up the planck length scale; imagine there's an invisible tether between every single particle in the entire universe, then all the wiring looking like a grid.
    Now, instead of that, imagine particles emit a field out in all directions constantly which dwindles over distance. The waves from all of those fields from every particle in the universe is what forms the backbone of space
    The energy particles expend can be measured and there are very strict rules of physics governing that, what you are proposing is impossible due to the particles simply not being able to emit all that energy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lisa View Post
    The energy particles expend can be measured and there are very strict rules of physics governing that, what you are proposing is impossible due to the particles simply not being able to emit all that energy
    you're full of shit, you know that?
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    But instead it's the point where it all breaks down and the force of the various forces changes or something, in any event I would think if gravity worked the same on that scale we would have had some kind of observable evidence of that with all the shit they are doing now with quarks and bosons and whatnot, they found the Higgs boson but couldn't see gravity work on that scale? So what happens there?
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    Are you saying there is no gravity and only electromagnetism?

    Because there are too many observations that would strongly contest that.

    But scale DOES affect forces with like 2 of the 4 most fundamental ones working on a quantum scale and the other two working on an astronomical scale..... And at what point does this all break down? Apparently a Planck length...
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    Wow, Plug Drgugug wans a genius teh wohle time LOL
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    Hey Lisa how are you ;]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gentleman Doli View Post
    Hey Lisa how are you ;]
    Lol, want to chime in on photons and mesons per chance? ;)
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    I have the high score in clal of duty modern warfare 3 and im ranked #3 in the world behind the fat guy from megaupload
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gentleman Doli View Post
    I have the high score in clal of duty modern warfare 3 and im ranked #3 in the world behind the fat guy from megaupload
    You are the first guy to actually impress me today lol
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    My iPad keyboard is plying upnd I need to go gets weed
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    Yeah I'll smoke another joint and talk about photons and mesons
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    Plug drugs, go graph all the quarks on a cross graph
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    Let's get a look at this on a cross graph
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lisa View Post
    My iPad keyboard is plying upnd I need to go gets weed
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    the trampoline model sucks because you're trying to explain gravity, you can't use a trampoline because that uses gravity in its explanation
    try again
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    Yeah I'll smoke another joint and talk about photons and mesons
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    Let's get a look at this on a cross graph
    oh wow you guys are really smart
    I am the owner of http://www.ezmangaforum.com
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    I think we can get to the bottom of this and then we can all go impress those scientists at that forum with all our knowledge
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    We'll show them the cross graph
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    Y=mx+b. This is where the it crosses the axes point.
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