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christ i drive over the speed limit every day, im a huge criminal
doesnt mean im a crook
i've never done anything that violated anytone else's rights.
even if it was possible and ethical, stealing from your local wal*mart is not taking money out of sam walton's own pockets. i'm sorry to hear that's true about iggy, though i only looked at the massive amount of pics. I've never been able to read all the textwalls in megathreads - not ruby's not gush's, and certainly not flagler & co.'s
speeding does violate other peoples' rights you cretin
What makes you a crook is insisting that people are not entitled to their own money. I don't care how rich someone is, that's their money and you have no claim on it.
"stealing from your local wal*mart is not taking money out of sam walton's own pockets"
A very telling statement. It's no more justifiable to steal from Sam Walton than to steal from anyone else. You have this attitude that success is wrong and those who achieve it deserve to be punished, this seems prevalent among the OWS crowd and it's going to ruin this country if it gets out of hand. Sam Walton built an empire out of nothing, he deserves every dime he earned. He's not your enemy, he's what you should aspire to be. The last generation understood that, this one just wants everything handed to them. We're becoming a nation of perpetual children.
Putting people's lives at risk by racing around at 130mph certainly does, but he kind of has a point, the current speed limit system is fucking stupid. Generally around here the speed limit is 55mph, it was designed like 50 years ago for a previous generation of cars. Newer cars stop quicker and handle much better, we could easily afford to bump every highway up to 80 or 90 considering that's the speed most people are driving anyway. keeping it this low is nothing but a cash grab by the local municipalities.Quote:
Originally Posted by siburke939
my car is probably older than me it rattles at 40mph but i can still get 110mph out of the little fucker i doubt if i'd survive a crash it's a fucking death trap
I drive a 2006 Volkswagen, they're designed for the fucking autobahn I am not endangering anyone by doing 75mph at 3 in the morning
and fuck them for making me wear a seatbelt, another goddamned cash grab. It's no ones business but my own if I choose to endanger myself.
You make profit by selling a service or product at a higher price than what it cost you.Quote:
Originally Posted by maks
Since money trees are losing their leaves so quickly now, there's less infinite money from the top to use to pay for the work and resources of all those procurers, be they producers, or distributors or some other middle-men.
Taxation/redistribution is a way of redistributing that wealth, so that the steel mill owner and the ore miner both have municipal garbage service, wastewater collection, social security, etc.
Taxation is not "punishment" it's patriotism. I don't see why people who don't like it just all move to some shithole without taxes like Somalia, and pay outta pocket for security, EMS/fire, sanitation, etc all by hand (if they even exist in your area)
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Originally Posted by maks
you'll have no challenge me from re: any of this. The speed limit is a state-sponsored racket and my body ejecting is 1/1000 as likely to injure someone else as another element of the collisionQuote:
and fuck them for making me wear a seatbelt, another goddamned cash grab. It's no ones business but my own if I choose to endanger myself.
There was never infinite money. It doesn't magically rain down from on high, economics is cyclical. The housing bubble was caused by a Clinton era mandate imposing a quota requiring them to lend to low-income (minority) applicants.Quote:
Originally Posted by blumpkin blownuts
Wait, you mean well intentioned federal meddling directly caused the current recession? But I'm the 99%! goddamn it I don't want to hear that! More government is always good! Corporations are what's bad! BRB gotta pull out my iphone and bitch about this on twitter.
Taxation is not nor should it be a way of redistributing wealth. It is a way of financing necessary services without which society would collapse. It belongs at the local level, there's no reason the federal government should be interacting with people on a personal level. We somehow managed to survive for almost 170 years without a federal income tax. Increasing that tax to pay for a nationwide healthcare mandate is not solving a problem, it is creating a new one.Quote:
Taxation/redistribution is a way of redistributing that wealth, so that the steel mill owner and the ore miner both have municipal garbage service, wastewater collection, social security, etc.
Using loaded statements like this which are inaccurate and not pertinent to the conversation like you're Michael fucking Moore isn't any better than spewing bumper sticker slogans bob, I thought we discussed that already.Quote:
Taxation is not "punishment" it's patriotism. I don't see why people who don't like it just all move to some shithole without taxes like Somalia, and pay outta pocket for security, EMS/fire, sanitation, etc all by hand (if they even exist in your area)
Nothing new about predatory lending, but you can point fingers at dozens of people for the surge in unchecked, wholesale abuse of mortgages, and later on in complex securities transactions which you'd have to have an MBA to understand fully yourself. Greed, in the form of the "someone else will just eat my dinner if I don't dig in now" logic. There's some special term for that in game theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by maks
Yeah, and the majority of that time we instead survived on slavery, child labor, other abusive labor practices, lack of unions, and probably much, much more.Quote:
We somehow managed to survive for almost 170 years without a federal income tax. Increasing that tax to pay for a nationwide healthcare mandate is not solving a problem, it is creating a new one.
Untapped stocks of natural resources supplies greatly outweighing their demand, and disconcern for environmental impact during this period had something to do with that as well, I'm sure.
It often really just comes down to bumper-sticker logic for our main arguments. Excuse me for not being long-winded and proving every single single little point- then again Simon's already grading this as my term paper.Quote:
Using loaded statements like this which are inaccurate and not pertinent to the conversation like you're Michael fucking Moore isn't any better than spewing bumper sticker slogans bob, I thought we discussed that already.
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I just voted in the republican primaries suck it commies
Please explain how it is predatory to lend to someone who cannot pay you back, I don't understand how these banking institutions are benefitting from losing moneyQuote:
Originally Posted by blumpkin blownuts
None of this has anything to do with the federal government. The shouldn't need a lot of money to function because they're not supposed to be really doing all that much. They hand billions to the states in exchange for the states meeting their (often arbitrary) demands. Why add this layer of complexity to it? Why not drop the federal income tax and just give that money to the state instead? Constitutionally they're the ones responsible for providing services.Quote:
Yeah, and the majority of that time we instead survived on slavery, child labor, other abusive labor practices, lack of unions, and probably much, much more.
Untapped stocks of natural resources supplies greatly outweighing their demand, and disconcern for environmental impact during this period had something to do with that as well, I'm sure.
That's bullshit bob. 'Bumper sticker logic' is when you shout some pre-canned slogan that may sound good at first but falls apart under the tiniest bit of scrutiny. You don't need to be long-winded to avoid saying things which are stupid and wrong.Quote:
It often really just comes down to bumper-sticker logic for our main arguments. Excuse me for not being long-winded and proving every single single little point- then again Simon's already grading this as my term paper.
Ron Paul?Quote:
Originally Posted by ArchbshpDesmndPooPoo
Proposition To Take Away Bobhugs' Food Stamps And Drugs
Shall bobhugs' food stamps and drugs be taken away?
- Yes
No
I'm not telling it is a secret ballot
Proposition to execute everyone who makes more money than me and put it on pay-per-view and then execute the guy who owns pay-per-view for making too much money off of it
Are corporations, like, bad and stuff?
- Yes
No
never needed food stamps, all my drugs come from insurance or gray market
i work for the fed in defense, it's a boring, inglorious job but the pay's enough and the benefits package is fucking 24k
So all this talk about how we need a heavier federal boot on our necks is completely self serving then, how convenient
theres so much shit i would ask you again if i could be assured a heartfelt answer but theres just no way to separate out the dramatics
i can't talk about what i do, it's not fascinating but it's important. i help keep all you assholes safe and free.
it's war and strife both abroad and at home that keeps my lights on
and that, makes me a hypocrite. what am i gonna sue myself for hypocrisy
I don't believe I've been dramatic about any of this. I'm a pragmatist and a realist. I'm not a wing-nut libertarian, I understand that some government services are necessary and would not work if they were privatized, but we still have a shitload of cutting to do especially at the federal level.Quote:
Originally Posted by blumpkin blownuts
don't tell your bosses you're in here supporting a borderline terrorist organization like owsQuote:
Originally Posted by blumpkin blownuts
i don't support ows, there's a reason they're incoherent and misunderstood and chock full of lazy long-term bums, drunks and dopers, fools who really did get degrees in shakespseare, and a few agentes provacateurs, not to mention just agents, there to infiltrate & observe.
theres also alot of people who have every right to be pissed. i think i have a right to be pissed that motorola and other local companies sent thousands of high-tech jobs that i was studying for to fucking india.
but yeah if ows were to turn violent i would do my sworn job to (help) kill them
cool story secret agent bob
anybody thats not a criminal can do what i do, thats what makes me lucky as fuck to have it no matter how overqualified i am
what the fuck happened
shit just got real