passed the old temp record at 8am today

[blumpkin blownuts]

What makes you a crook is insisting that people are not entitled to their own money. I don't care how rich someone is, that's their money and you have no claim on it.

"stealing from your local wal*mart is not taking money out of sam walton's own pockets"

A very telling statement. It's no more justifiable to steal from Sam Walton than to steal from anyone else. You have this attitude that success is wrong and those who achieve it deserve to be punished, this seems prevalent among the OWS crowd and it's going to ruin this country if it gets out of hand. Sam Walton built an empire out of nothing, he deserves every dime he earned. He's not your enemy, he's what you should aspire to be. The last generation understood that, this one just wants everything handed to them. We're becoming a nation of perpetual children.

You make profit by selling a service or product at a higher price than what it cost you.

Since money trees are losing their leaves so quickly now, there's less infinite money from the top to use to pay for the work and resources of all those procurers, be they producers, or distributors or some other middle-men.
Taxation/redistribution is a way of redistributing that wealth, so that the steel mill owner and the ore miner both have municipal garbage service, wastewater collection, social security, etc.
Taxation is not "punishment" it's patriotism. I don't see why people who don't like it just all move to some shithole without taxes like Somalia, and pay outta pocket for security, EMS/fire, sanitation, etc all by hand (if they even exist in your area)

[maks]

You make profit by selling a service or product at a higher price than what it cost you.

Since money trees are losing their leaves so quickly now, there's less infinite money from the top to use to pay for the work and resources of all those procurers, be they producers, or distributors or some other middle-men.

There was never infinite money. It doesn't magically rain down from on high, economics is cyclical. The housing bubble was caused by a Clinton era mandate imposing a quota requiring them to lend to low-income (minority) applicants.

Wait, you mean well intentioned federal meddling directly caused the current recession? But I'm the 99%! goddamn it I don't want to hear that! More government is always good! Corporations are what's bad! BRB gotta pull out my iphone and bitch about this on twitter.

Taxation/redistribution is a way of redistributing that wealth, so that the steel mill owner and the ore miner both have municipal garbage service, wastewater collection, social security, etc.

Taxation is not nor should it be a way of redistributing wealth. It is a way of financing necessary services without which society would collapse. It belongs at the local level, there's no reason the federal government should be interacting with people on a personal level. We somehow managed to survive for almost 170 years without a federal income tax. Increasing that tax to pay for a nationwide healthcare mandate is not solving a problem, it is creating a new one.

Taxation is not "punishment" it's patriotism. I don't see why people who don't like it just all move to some shithole without taxes like Somalia, and pay outta pocket for security, EMS/fire, sanitation, etc all by hand (if they even exist in your area)

Using loaded statements like this which are inaccurate and not pertinent to the conversation like you're Michael fucking Moore isn't any better than spewing bumper sticker slogans bob, I thought we discussed that already.

[blumpkin blownuts]

There was never infinite money. It doesn't magically rain down from on high, economics is cyclical. The housing bubble was caused by a Clinton era mandate imposing a quota requiring them to lend to low-income (minority) applicants.

Nothing new about predatory lending, but you can point fingers at dozens of people for the surge in unchecked, wholesale abuse of mortgages, and later on in complex securities transactions which you'd have to have an MBA to understand fully yourself. Greed, in the form of the "someone else will just eat my dinner if I don't dig in now" logic. There's some special term for that in game theory.

We somehow managed to survive for almost 170 years without a federal income tax. Increasing that tax to pay for a nationwide healthcare mandate is not solving a problem, it is creating a new one.

Yeah, and the majority of that time we instead survived on slavery, child labor, other abusive labor practices, lack of unions, and probably much, much more.
Untapped stocks of natural resources supplies greatly outweighing their demand, and disconcern for environmental impact during this period had something to do with that as well, I'm sure.

Using loaded statements like this which are inaccurate and not pertinent to the conversation like you're Michael fucking Moore isn't any better than spewing bumper sticker slogans bob, I thought we discussed that already.

It often really just comes down to bumper-sticker logic for our main arguments. Excuse me for not being long-winded and proving every single single little point- then again Simon's already grading this as my term paper.

[maks]

Nothing new about predatory lending, but you can point fingers at dozens of people for the surge in unchecked, wholesale abuse of mortgages, and later on in complex securities transactions which you'd have to have an MBA to understand fully yourself. Greed, in the form of the "someone else will just eat my dinner if I don't dig in now" logic. There's some special term for that in game theory.

Please explain how it is predatory to lend to someone who cannot pay you back, I don't understand how these banking institutions are benefitting from losing money

Yeah, and the majority of that time we instead survived on slavery, child labor, other abusive labor practices, lack of unions, and probably much, much more.
Untapped stocks of natural resources supplies greatly outweighing their demand, and disconcern for environmental impact during this period had something to do with that as well, I'm sure.

None of this has anything to do with the federal government. The shouldn't need a lot of money to function because they're not supposed to be really doing all that much. They hand billions to the states in exchange for the states meeting their (often arbitrary) demands. Why add this layer of complexity to it? Why not drop the federal income tax and just give that money to the state instead? Constitutionally they're the ones responsible for providing services.

It often really just comes down to bumper-sticker logic for our main arguments. Excuse me for not being long-winded and proving every single single little point- then again Simon's already grading this as my term paper.

That's bullshit bob. 'Bumper sticker logic' is when you shout some pre-canned slogan that may sound good at first but falls apart under the tiniest bit of scrutiny. You don't need to be long-winded to avoid saying things which are stupid and wrong.