Lily has nigger family members

idc how you personally feel about the end result, there is never any excuse good enough for the government to violate the bill of rights, we the people shouldn't allow any latitude on that and it's sickening that you're trying to rationalize it

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idc how you personally feel about the end result, there is never any excuse good enough for the government to violate the bill of rights, we the people shouldn't allow any latitude on that and it's sickening that you're trying to rationalize it

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we the people don't even give a shit about going to the polls. this is such a generalized statement and yet again you haven't rebutted any of my counterpoints. what violates the bill of rights?

eminent domain - No person shall be deprived of... property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use without just compensation
there it is in black and white.

that's just one point if you would like to keep going im willing but if you simply stop caring- you have yielded

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Originally Posted by A tyranny apologist

but the travel bans and him beating back the daca stuff has also effectively immunized our nation from the migrant crisis occurring in europe. sure think of the families if you want but don't forget about the end game of uncontrolled immigration of fighting aged males. plus isn't it obvious theses refugees and immigrants are used at the polls to prop up the hemorrhaging support for corrupt dems?

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come on don't yield actually refute my point do you really think unrestricted immigration isn't an issue that 'we the people' have suffered from?

I think the federal government treationg people differently based on their religion is illegal 100% of the time and no matter how much of a hard on you have for this president's policies violating the core values of this country isn't the way to go about enforcing them

your point is stupid, wrong, and patently unamerican. consider it refuted.

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freezing the assets of people suspected (but not always convicted) of participating in criminal activities? am i off, is this what you're talking about? how do you enforce the law and be really nice and civil towards the suspected criminals?

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yeah god forbid the 4th and 5th amendments prevent us from punishing people who haven't been convicted of a crime

under current civil forfeiture law siezed assets aren't even required to be returned after the suspect is found not guilty, sounds constitutional to me, make america great again!

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I think the federal government treationg people differently based on their religion is illegal 100% of the time and no matter how much of a hard on you have for this president's policies violating the core values of this country isn't the way to go about enforcing them

your point is stupid, wrong, and patently unamerican. consider it refuted.

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what about immigrants who hold anti american ideologies, practice them under the guise of religious freedom, and refuse to assimilate to the overarching american values (sharia law).

it would be unamerican for trump to deport illegal immigrants who hold american values but how can you say an illegal immigrant who is convicted and deported harbors american values? im in favor of naturalizing children brought to america who are 100% american (speak english, attend public school, love american culture, and would have no real ties to central or south america if they were deported). they are disposed to criminality not because they are from a specific race but because of the nature of their illegal status. these non citizens are being used like pawns as cheep labor, to traffic illegal substances, and as sexual commodities by the same sanctuary state politicians and people of influence that actively undermine federal immigration policy. Immigration is not a states right- its the job of the federal government to protect its borders and is completely justified to enact any immigration policy it feels necessary in order to protect the nation from people who are largely considered in the public eye to be anti american. think of the children at this point is just a partisan wedge issue used by the same people who profit off of illegal immigration, gang activity, cartel drug and human trafficking etc.

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yeah god forbid the 4th and 5th amendments prevent us from punishing people who haven't been convicted of a crime. under current civil forfeiture law siezed assets aren't even required to be returned after the suspect is found not guilty, sounds constitutional to me, make america great again!

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'If the property has been used in association with criminal activity, the property is subject to civil forfeiture proceedings... most[states], regardless of innocence or guilt, require the property owner to carry the burden of proving the property was not associated with criminal activity.' its time to consult your defense attorney! hypothetically if the cops seize the wad of cash you had because they had some sort of reasonable suspicion you of participating in a drug deal, you are now the defendant and if the cash was legally obtained you shouldn't have a problem in court proving your innocence. how do you expect criminal investigations to proceed if you obstruct law enforcement from obtaining evidence? if there is no wrong doing the 'blind justice' court system should rule in the defendants favor. the abuse of power isn't in the civil forfeiture law, the abuse is coming from cops without oversight who bend reasonable suspicion and judges whose rulings are unjust. How do you operate a criminal investigation if the law enforcement can't obtain evidence? if there is no wrong doing or abuse of power by civil servants than there should be no problem here.

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Originally Posted by Part of the problem

7 paragraphs of "but the bill of rights gets in the way of the particular form of racism I support!"

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no you goddamn sheep the constitution is absolute and anyone who violates it is your enemy

man why dont you guys just post jokes and stuff instead of getting so mad about things

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Originally Posted by Garfield

man why dont you guys just post jokes and stuff instead of getting so mad about things

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Your jokes are so horrend because you're already dead

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Originally Posted by juji

Your jokes are so horrend because you're already dead

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somebody that a signature forme like with cool graphics nd stuff

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Originally Posted by Garfield

man why dont you guys just post jokes and stuff instead of getting so mad about things

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don't you see we're saving the fucking world here

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no you goddamn sheep the constitution is absolute and anyone who violates it is your enemy

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why do you make me bait you into actually dissecting my points... I hope you're at least enjoying this as much as I am.

islam isn't a race- do you really want to defend foreigners who commit human rights abuses against women, gays, etc... is that the hill you want to die on?

I've destroyed your illusion long ago- you don't care about debating me youre just desperate to look like you've accomplished something. all your immediate replies are short, meaningless, and miss my point when you fail to address anything i actually said

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man why dont you guys just post jokes and stuff instead of getting so mad about things

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whose mad? trump is the God king and he's coming for all the haters, neoliberalism/neoconservatism will reign supreme! hail the globohomogayplex! enlist in the dickless corps to defend homosexuality from the muzzie brotherhood!

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why do you make me bait you into actually dissecting my points... I hope you're at least enjoying this as much as I am.

islam isn't a race- do you really want to defend foreigners who commit human rights abuses against women, gays, etc... is that the hill you want to die on?

I've destroyed your illusion long ago- you don't care about debating me youre just desperate to look like you've accomplished something. all your immediate replies are short, meaningless, and miss my point when you fail to address anything i actually said

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Race isn't protected by the constitution, religion is. All religions are to be treated equally under law, and if they aren't then the constitution is being violated. Trump is a traitor and an enemy of this country's founding principles. Make all the excuses for him that you want, it's true and will continue to be true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWyfE4VZiUY

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Originally Posted by Lina Goldberg

all your immediate replies are short

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Long heartfelt replies have always been considered a sign of winning on this forum and elsewhere on the internet, especially if they're all over the place difficult to follow hypotheticals and whataboutism

assimilation is civic, cultural, and economic. Latino/Hispanic immigrant demographics have the highest rates of failing both economically and civically. muslim refugees fail to assimilate civically and culturally- most resent america for bombing them out of their homelands under bush/obama admin. islam is openly against liberty. give their nations a moratorium of immigration.

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Originally Posted by George Washington, in a letter to John Adams

[immigrants should be absorbed] “by an intermixture with our people, they, or their descendants, get assimilated to our customs, measures, laws: in a word soon become one people.”

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Originally Posted by James Madison in a 1790 speech to Congress on the naturalization of immigrants

[welcome the immigrant who could assimilate, but exclude the immigrant who could not readily] “incorporate himself into our society.”

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Originally Posted by Alexander Hamilton

“The safety of a republic depends essentially on the energy of a common national sentiment; on a uniformity of principles and habits; on the exemption of the citizens from foreign bias and prejudice; and on that love of country which will almost invariably be found to be closely connected with birth, education and family.”

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Originally Posted by Alexander Hamilton

“The United States have already felt the evils of incorporating a large number of foreigners into their national mass; by promoting in different classes different predilections in favor of particular foreign nations, and antipathies against others, it has served very much to divide the community and to distract our councils. It has been often likely to compromise the interests of our own country in favor of another. The permanent effect of such a policy will be, that in times of great public danger there will be always a numerous body of men, of whom there may be just grounds of distrust; the suspicion alone will weaken the strength of the nation, but their force may be actually employed in assisting an invader.”

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[depends upon] “the preservation of a national spirit and a national character.” “To admit foreigners indiscriminately to the rights of citizens the moment they put foot in our country would be nothing less than to admit the Grecian horse into the citadel of our liberty and sovereignty.”

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Here's my rationale for why the constitution doesn't matter

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I mean you can believe whatever you want but stop calling yourself american and pretending that any of this fits with the core values of the united states. violating the constitution is real deal treason it's not meaningless edgy bullshit like burning the flag it's the actual death of this country

tell me right now succinctly without long winded hypotheticals and weasel words why you believe this country is better off without the bill of rights

i don't believe this nation is better off without the bill of rights. the argument for assimilation was supported by our founding fathers.

let's let anyone one in who cares if they commit crime the founding fathers all loved getting cucked after all their work framing the constitution.:giggle:

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i don't believe this nation is better off without the bill of rights. the argument for assimilation was supported by our founding fathers.

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which one of the quotes you posted is followed up by "And that's why it's ok to ignore the first amendment whenever it's inconvenient for us"?

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Originally Posted by Alexander Hamilton

“The United States have already felt the evils of incorporating a large number of foreigners into their national mass; by promoting in different classes different predilections in favor of particular foreign nations, and antipathies against others, it has served very much to divide the community and to distract our councils. It has been often likely to compromise the interests of our own country in favor of another. The permanent effect of such a policy will be, that in times of great public danger there will be always a numerous body of men, of whom there may be just grounds of distrust; the suspicion alone will weaken the strength of the nation, but their force may be actually employed in assisting an invader.”

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cuz it's a matter of national security lol

fun fact when the president takes his oath of office he pomises to, and I quote, "preserve protect and defend the constitution of the united states". Trump took that oath, he lied, he almost immediately started trying to pass unconstitutional laws.

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cuz it's a matter of national security lol

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limiting the number of immigrants is constitutional denying particular immigrants based on religion is unconstitutional you're arguing an entirely different point try again

muslim refugees are a national security threat because they participate in radical islam. their religion is the threat.

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muslim refugees are a national security threat because they participate in radical islam. their religion is the threat.

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cool, so quote the part of the constitution that says it's ok to disregard the first amendment under those circumstances

actually how about you quote the part of the constitution that says it's legal to disregard the first amendment under *any* circumstances

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cool, so quote the part of the constitution that says it's ok to disregard the first amendment under those circumstances

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Originally Posted by Signed by John Adams 1798 June 18

Congress passed the Naturalization Act, which extended from five to 14 years the period of residence required for alien immigrants to become full U.S. citizens (1 Stat. 566). On June 25, Congress passed the Alien Act, which authorized the president to expel, without a hearing, any alien the president deemed "dangerous to the peace and safety" of the United States or whom the president suspected of "treasonable or secret" inclinations (1 Stat. 570). On July 6, Congress passed the Alien Enemy Act, which authorized the president to arrest, imprison, or banish any resident alien hailing from a country against which the United States had declared war (1 Stat. 577).

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actually how about you quote the part of the constitution that says it's legal to disregard the first amendment under *any* circumstances

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articles 1, 2, and 3 structure the federal government, im sure you know bills are passed through legislative branch to be signed into law by the executive and the judicial determines their constitutionality.

If I were you I wouldn't mention the judiciary, they've declared the muslim ban unconstitutional and unenforceable like 3 or 4 times

Do you hate the entire bill of rights or just the first amendment? Also, how much of the first amendment would you like to repeal/ignore? Would you give up your own freedom of speech and of the press in order to give the executive branch the power to persecute whichever group you're bigoted against this week? Would you support attempts by congress to pass a law respecting the establishment of a mandatory state religion, something like an american anglican church?

You should petition the government with a redress of your grievances you're making some really good points itt

How about if you alt-right cowards stop trying to take away everyone else's liberties and practice your own second amendment rights if you're so goddamn terrified of the muzzies, that's what it's there for and it's worked fine for like 250 years

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If I were you I wouldn't mention the judiciary, they've declared the muslim ban unconstitutional and unenforceable like 3 or 4 times

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good thing i don't want to ban islam, i just support the moratorium on immigration

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Do you hate the entire bill of rights or just the first amendment? Also, how much of the first amendment would you like to repeal/ignore? Would you give up your own freedom of speech and of the press in order to give the executive branch the power to persecute whichever group you're bigoted against this week? Would you support attempts by congress to pass a law respecting the establishment of a mandatory state religion, something like an american anglican church?

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i'm not against the bill of rights in any way, donald trump hasn't infringed on the MSM's freedom of press hes simply avoided them nor has he made any attempt to enact a state religion. i support the right to practice whatever religion you want and i'm just as critical of christianity and judaism as i am of islam and all religious institutions. i understand the community but what kind of divinity comes from some other mans mouth? the travel ban is a matter of national security to safeguard us from radical islam.

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How about if you alt-right cowards stop trying to take away everyone else's liberties and practice your own second amendment rights if you're so goddamn terrified of the muzzies, that's what it's there for and it's worked fine for like 250 years

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not only am i not alt right im not in favor of any ethnostate or division of this nation. i have no problem with the muslims in america. islam isn't a specific race and people practice it all over the world. i'm allowed to be critical of any religion i want- doesn't mean i want to control their lives. im in support of law and order and against open borders.

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good thing i don't want to ban islam, i just support the moratorium on immigration

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You support a law whgich has been struck down as unconstitutional more than once, so I ask you again, what other parts of the bill of rights do you oppose?

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Originally Posted by Ben Franklin

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

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A founding father just called you a pussy

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Originally Posted by A staunch supporter of a republican president

The world is scary! Big government, please, be my daddy and protect me from the bad evil extremists!

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