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[maks]

thats exactly how i am but my doctors dont feel the need to give me psychotics

that's because you have no control over your medical treatment with socialized medicine. american doctors will typically give you what you're asking for because if they don't you can go find someone who does, it's all part of being treated like a grownup.

[Genital Doli]

that's because you have no control over your medical treatment with socialized medicine. american doctors will typically give you what you're asking for because if they don't you can go find someone who does, it's all part of being treated like a grownup.

lol unles your a tranny... pwned.

that's because you have no control over your medical treatment with socialized medicine.

im sure you arent implying i have no control what is done to my body

american doctors will typically give you what you're asking for because if they don't you can go find someone who does

profit over judgement, thats exactly how i want my medical professionals to think

[maks]

im sure you arent implying i have no control what is done to my body

you do, to an extent. you can either choose 'what the state offers' or 'nothing at all'.

profit over judgement, thats exactly how i want my medical professionals to think

"this guy is an adult and I exist to facilitate the choices he has made for himself" that's exactly how I want people who are providing me a service to think

you do, to an extent. you can either choose 'what the state offers' or 'nothing at all'.

Yes i can agree to surgery on my shoulder, or can opt to live with the fact my shoulder can re-dislocate from any significant force. Is that what you are saying? I don't get what you are trying to say, is your statement not true for any hospital?

"this guy is an adult and I exist to facilitate the choices he has made for himself" that's exactly how I want people who are providing me a service to think

Sounds like how a crack dealer would justify what he does to feed his family. I'd prefer if my doctors used their education to tell me what is actually best for me and not what I want



Also your anology isn't really applicable because most things not provided are elective surgeries, like boob jobs.

[maks]

Yes i can agree to surgery on my shoulder, or can opt to live with the fact my shoulder can re-dislocate from any significant force. Is that what you are saying? I don't get what you are trying to say, is your statement not true for any hospital?

Nope, you'd have a choice of surgery, or physical therapy, or drugs, or a different, more experimental, surgery. It's not "Do what we recommend or live with it"

Sounds like how a crack dealer would justify what he does to feed his family. I'd prefer if my doctors used their education to tell me what is actually best for me and not what I want

Agreed, I prefer if my doctor listen to me and make a decision based on his own experience combined with my needs, rather than giving me a stock catch-all answer out of the book of national healthcare mandates.

rather than giving me a stock catch-all answer out of the book of national healthcare mandates.

not sure if thats a canadian doctor impression but the health here works the same way in the states only we pay for it in tax and you do cash. like if i wanted to get my dick cut off id still go to my family doctor and he would explain the risks associated with it etc and reference me to someone who specializes in cutting dicks and from there i just pay out my own pocket cause it is something that rightfully isnt covered

[Plug Drugs]

Yes i can agree to surgery on my shoulder, or can opt to live with the fact my shoulder can re-dislocate from any significant force. Is that what you are saying? I don't get what you are trying to say, is your statement not true for any hospital?



Sounds like how a crack dealer would justify what he does to feed his family. I'd prefer if my doctors used their education to tell me what is actually best for me and not what I want



Also your anology isn't really applicable because most things not provided are elective surgeries, like boob jobs.

"what you want" is typically what's best for you. If a person goes to a doctor already knowing what medication they would like to be prescribed, they are very rarely satisfied when they leave the doctor unless they got the hot new medication they wanted. It's like a placebo effect. Even if something is clinically more likely to give you results, your mind's own psychosomatic influence will make you believe your still "sick" unless you got what you "think" is going to make you feel better.

"what you want" is typically what's best for you. If a person goes to a doctor already knowing what medication they would like to be prescribed, they are very rarely satisfied when they leave the doctor unless they got the hot new medication they wanted. It's like a placebo effect. Even if something is clinically more likely to give you results, your mind's own psychosomatic influence will make you believe your still "sick" unless you got what you "think" is going to make you feel better.

I don't think health care covers "babysitting emotions"

[blumpkin blownuts]

you do, to an extent. you can either choose 'what the state offers' or 'nothing at all'.



"this guy is an adult and I exist to facilitate the choices he has made for himself" that's exactly how I want people who are providing me a service to think

fear, fear fear. marks stepped on a death panel and lost a life now he's afraid of "socialized medicine"
of course there will still be competition and choice. it just gets capped and regulated.

as far as getting what you want from the doctor, let's all just agree that you want the middleground - avoid the doctor that will immediately give you whatever drug you saw a clever cartoon TV ad hawk. also avoid the doctor that will only prescribe the drug being made by the folks who paid for his family's $80,000 ski trip, no matter how much you tell him it doesn't work or you read that it could be dangerous or unneeded.

everybody wants a doctor that will carefully consider all your input, weigh in as much of it as he can, then make a professional and unbiased decision towards your care. a national insurance program does not mean "the good doctors" are going to be inaccessible.
what are they going to do, turn in their stethoscope and ear-flashlights for good, and go sell knives next to the subway stop?