just watched dr strangelove, i want to talk about it noooww

[elezzzark]

They say Microsoft 8 is compatible with ARM cpu what it can install on tablets, also for desktops and laptops, its boot is 50% faster than Windows 7 and metro interface makes the impact of lifestyle

[elezzzark]

If i would to buy minimac for $999 to develop iDevice apps, but nevermind, it sucks and .ipa can be easily cracked, i got million of cracked apps on my ipod

[Plug Drugs]

well they better come up with a fashionable advertising campaign full of celebrities that ultimately just say "if you dont own windows 8, ur gay" because this generation won't buy anything unless they think they are becoming a part of some exclusive club to impress their friends

[maks]

what about non-upgradeable hardware,

it's a fucking laptop. I can change the RAM and the hard drive, like any other laptop. I can use the same RAM and hard drive as any other laptop.

overpriced hardware,

The only manufacturer who comes close on build quality is Lenovo and their prices are about the same

a clunky esoteric interface designed with the intention of impressing investors and not catering to the user's best interest,

It has a little search bar at the top, as soon as you type 3 letters of the name of a document or program it pops up. That's not clunky, it's brilliant. Ripping it off for the search bar in Windows 7 is the smartest thing Microsoft ever did, and now it's gone in 8. Anyone who says OSX's interface is 'clunky' while reciting the virues of the fucking start menu is an idiot or just looking to bitch for bitching's sake.

an overall lack of compatability with software

Just about everything for linux gets ported to mac, if anything it has a much larger software library than windows if you want to do anything other than playing games. I don't want to play games on a laptop, that's what I have a desktop for.

poor tech support and a difficulty (if not impossibility) in repairing it once shit turns in to a state of disarray

I've had them apart and used to service laptops for a living. They're no more or less easy to take apart and swap parts on than your average laptop.

like abercrombie and fitch, getting a mac is just paying for a brand name.

More like buying a mercedes, you're paying for quality along with the supposed prestige.

They suck, i hate the shit out of them

...for no apparent reason. That's a lot of anger to be carrying around about something dumb like a brand of computer.

their response back in 2000 or whenever it was to windows XP is unforgiveable, that thing they created was an uncooperative undisciplined monster

I don't know that they responded to XP at all, mac os has been on the market since 1984, windows was created to compete with it. microsoft reacts to what apple is doing, not the other way around. always have and likely always will.

"we better create something to compete with windows if we don't want out corporation to fade into obscurity,

if you're talking about the change to osx then you have no idea how incredibly powerful and standards compliant a *nix system is. giving up on 'classic mac' and switching to bsd was the smartest thing they've ever done.

[elezzzark]

[maks]

I heard Windows 8 will beat Mac OS X

what are you talking about windows has been beating mac since the early 90's microsoft has like an 80% marketshare

[elezzzark]

well they better come up with a fashionable advertising campaign full of celebrities that ultimately just say "if you dont own windows 8, ur gay" because this generation won't buy anything unless they think they are becoming a part of some exclusive club to impress their friends

Yeah, that's stupid, i feel forced to use Windows 8 when i purchase new parts for my future desktop which is broken

[elezzzark]

what are you talking about windows has been beating mac since the early 90's microsoft has like an 80% marketshare

That's not my fault, mos analysts say that

[maks]

That's not my fault, mos analysts say that

I'm not blaming anyone, I'm questioning where you said "I heard Windows 8 will beat Mac OS X". Of course it will, every Windows since 95 has beaten mac os in marketshare, how is that news?

[maks]

Honestly I don't even feel that passionately about it, I use all 3 major operating systems on a daily basis and they all have their pros and cons, but literally everything plug drugs said itt was so amazingly stupid and uninformed and wrong that it boggles the mind

[Plug Drugs]

I don't know that they responded to XP at all, mac os has been on the market since 1984, windows was created to compete with it. microsoft reacts to what apple is doing, not the other way around. always have and likely always will.

you don't remember the "one button interface" they added so it would be 'less confusing than a PC's two-button interface'? As if the average person is too stupid to understand what two different buttons will do (i get my lefts and rights mixed up durrrr), so now everyone has to suffer.
If Apple had it there way, we'd all be paying a monthly fee for their gay shit that would do little more than check facebook and edit photos because we're all SUPPOSED to be out planting trees and calculating ways to reduce our environmental impact

[elezzzark]

I'm not blaming anyone, I'm questioning where you said "I heard Windows 8 will beat Mac OS X". Of course it will, every Windows since 95 has beaten mac os in marketshare, how is that news?

Well, i read news, so mainstream

But you are talking how you are defending mac, it won't resolve forever

[maks]

you don't remember the "one button interface" they added so it would be 'less confusing than a PC's two-button interface'? As if the average person is too stupid to understand what two different buttons will do (i get my lefts and rights mixed up durrrr), so now everyone has to suffer.
If Apple had it there way, we'd all be paying a monthly fee for their gay shit that would do little more than check facebook and edit photos because we're all SUPPOSED to be out planting trees and calculating ways to reduce our environmental impact

I'm not here to defend their marketing, I think it's dumb and don't pay any attention to it. I'd like to kick that asshole from the 'mac vs pc' commercials in the cock, and also the asshole advertising exec who decided "pc = windows" when really "pc = personal computer" and every single macintosh in the world except for the xserv is a pc. You want to get upset about the commercials, fine, I'll agree they're crap. But you haven't made one argument about the technology, hardware or software, that was informed or true. Every one of your facts was pulled directly out of your ass.

[maks]

Well, i read news, so mainstream

But you are talking how you are defending mac, it won't resolve forever

I'm not even defending it, I'm just setting the record straight. If he has said that the giant apple logo on the back is obnoxious, or that it's bullshit it has to reboot to run updates even though every other *nix seems to handle it just fine, or that they missed the boat adopting zfs and that hfs+ isn't much better than ntfs, then I would have agreed with him. I'm not saying they're perfect, I'm not naive. I do however do this for a living and I might have had better reasons for picking this machine than that I wanted to look cool at starbucks.

[Plug Drugs]

ultimately both operating systems are going to become mirrors of each other with minor differences, but back in the late 90s early 2000s, Mac catered to "creative people" with little more going for them than okay photo-editing software and movie-making bullshit and whatever else, while Microsoft tried to be realistic and catered to "business people" with programs like excel and power-point.
Windows is just more organized and doesn't try to hide the mechanics behind how a program or something is working so it becomes irreparable when a bug inevitably occurs.

If people want to be creative they can go play with a fucking etch a sketch

[Plug Drugs]

"mac had a spreadsheet program before windows did" whatever, windows still had more options for their software so you wouldn't have to do everything "the mac way" and no legitimate businesses back in the early 2000s even supported mac-based files. They did that for a reason; not just because windows was more popular, but because Mac was a bitch and a half to try and get to cooperate

[Plug Drugs]

Well, i read news, so mainstream

But you are talking how you are defending mac, it won't resolve forever

the liberal jew media tries to make it sound like mac already won its war with windows like it was some distant war in the past, to try and convince young college faggots that mac is the way to go when really it isn't -- all because mac sponsored them basically

[maks]

ultimately both operating systems are going to become mirrors of each other with minor differences

both are going to become mirrors of ios because ios has the best profit margins. when this happens I will start using linux exclusively.

Mac catered to "creative people" with little more going for them than okay photo-editing software and movie-making bullshit and whatever else

and a hardware architecture better suited to multimedia. I wouldn't have bought a PPC mac, I like a little more flexibility than that. x86 might not be the greatest architecture but it's what we've got.

Windows is just more organized

did you really just say that the one with the start menu and the registry is more organized? what did I tell you about saying stupid, provably false things?

I guess I'm going to have to go off on another rant

Installing an application in Windows:
run the setup.exe. This will put the executables and libraries in either /program files or /program files(x86), write some configuration to the registry, put some configuration data in ~/my documents, more in ~/appdata and still more in ~/appdata/roaming. the program is launched by navigating to the start menu, clicking 'all programs', clicking the appdev folder, clicking the appname folder, then clicking the app shortcut.
Uninstalling an application in windows:
click start, control panel, programs, add/remove programs, find your program in the list and run the uninstall.exe that setup.exe stashed away in yet another random place on your hard drive. run ccleaner to clean up the crap in the registry that the uninstaller forgot about

Installing an application on the mac:
download the .app file, drag it wherever the hell you want. configuration is stored somewhere under ~. Launch it by hitting cmd-space and typing the first 3 letters of its name.
Uninstalling an application on the mac:
Drag the .app file into the trash

[Plug Drugs]

don't think there isn't still spare shit laying about somewhere on your macs hard-drive that uninstall exes 'forgot about'. They just hide it even better than windows does

[maks]

~/.appname. just drag that to the trash too. or leave it, a few k here and there isn't going to make a difference and it's not like it's going to bog down or destabilize the entire system like the fucking registry

[Plug Drugs]

and if you have a grudge about crap in the registry, its with the programmers who made the program, not microsoft

[maks]

"hey bill how about if in this new windows95 product we do away with simple to edit plain text .ini files and introduce a monolithic database that's impossible to navigate and can get so filled up with garbage that it brings the system to a screeching halt"?

"that's awesome! you win 'most organized employee of the month'!"

[maks]

and if you have a grudge about crap in the registry, its with the programmers who made the program, not microsoft

no, it's microsoft. left to their own devices the devs would use a plain text file like they do on every other operating system.

[Plug Drugs]

i reinstall my OS every year or so when shit gets bogged down,
i keep all my important files organized so they are easy to back up when the time comes
reinstalling windows and getting things set up again takes a few hours, but its a fair price to pay for knowing that any piece of software i download will be written for windows and the programmers making a version for mac only comes secondary

[Plug Drugs]

the main difference between you and me is that i am on the tightest budget a person can be on,
and when it comes to cost-effectiveness, windows>mac

[Plug Drugs]

its funny to me that mac appeals to liberal bohemians but when it comes to "living minimalistic", mac is much more expensive - in the range of a few hundred dollars at least. That's beer and cigarettes and drugs for a few months for me

[maks]

i reinstall my OS every year or so when shit gets bogged down,
i keep all my important files organized so they are easy to back up when the time comes
reinstalling windows and getting things set up again takes a few hours, but its a fair price to pay for knowing that any piece of software i download will be written for windows and the programmers making a version for mac only comes secondary

That's the right way to handle windows. I got sick of that, I want the machine I do my browsing and banking on to stay the same until it's time to replace it. You should try using the built in ntbackup, it does a reasonable good job of putting back personal stuff

the main difference between you and me is that i am on the tightest budget a person can be on,
and when it comes to cost-effectiveness, windows>mac

The price doesn't have a lot to do with the os, it's just that apple doesn't bother selling cheap hardware. If I hadn't gone with the macbook pro I would have spent just as much on a different high end, reliable machine and ran ubuntu on it.

[Plug Drugs]

mac hardware may have become cheaper in recent years, but for the longest time, making your own PC with windows was much cheaper, and I only know windows.
When it comes down to it, I don't know shit about Mac, I don't even know if you can make a Mac from scratch, you probably can't, and when you try to, the Mac OS is probably at a loss for finding appropriate drivers for your hardware and the like. Just guesswork but from my personal experience with Macs, it sounds about right.

[maks]

its funny to me that mac appeals to liberal bohemians but when it comes to "living minimalistic", mac is much more expensive - in the range of a few hundred dollars at least. That's beer and cigarettes and drugs for a few months for me

owning a computer is not 'living minimalistic'. Anyway their philosophy isn't minimalism so much as simple and uncluttered. They like to do things in software and eliminate hardware buttons, stuff like that. You have that luxury when you control both the os and the hardware it runs on.

[maks]

mac hardware may have become cheaper in recent years, but for the longest time, making your own PC with windows was much cheaper, and I only know windows.

again, if you'd built your machine using the same components as an apple it would have cost around the same amount. their stuff is a much higher grade than the $350 barebones kits they sell on tigerdirect. for an example look at the price difference between a western digital 'green' vs 'black' hard drive or hynix vs crucial RAM.

When it comes down to it, I don't know shit about Mac, I don't even know if you can make a Mac from scratch, you probably can't, and when you try to, the Mac OS is probably at a loss for finding appropriate drivers for your hardware and the like. Just guesswork but from my personal experience with Macs, it sounds about right.

you can, but it's like linux 8 years ago where you have to check everything against an HCL and still struggle with drivers and worry about the next update breaking the whole damn thing. not worth it. ubuntu is easier than osx on non-apple hardware.