i honestly think Jack and his family are decent hardworking people and maybe you should back off Flaggerchat

[Kyle Venooker]

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: Jack Venooker/New Mexico phone debacle: letters, documents, sketch by Jack (May 1981, in original envelope)-- I debated just dumping this, but Jack was so central to my life for so many years in so many ways -- best friend in college, one of the four most vital to my pursuing my comics career and getting into Joe Kubert School, I met my first wife Nancy aka Marlene through him, etc.-- that this record of our first big falling-out seemed relevent. In short, Jack and Kate were have their first child (Sarah) and had no phone and no credit to get a phone with. I allowed them to use my name to get a phone -- and then got bitten of the ass when Jack tried to stiff ME with THEIR overdue bills! We eventually settled all this, but it was one of many occasions in which my good nature got me into hot water when friends ‘used’ me, and one of the few with documentation remaining. I’ll leave it at that… we survived, though our friendship later (in the 1990s) succumbed to another debacle I won’t get into. We later mended fences enough to collaborated, in a way, in two incarnations of an online discussion board collective Jack dubbed ‘The Kingdom,’ with my board called ‘The Swamp.’—S.B.]

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: Jack Venooker/New Mexico phone debacle: letters, documents, sketch by Jack (May 1981, in original envelope)-- I debated just dumping this, but Jack was so central to my life for so many years in so many ways -- best friend in college, one of the four most vital to my pursuing my comics career and getting into Joe Kubert School, I met my first wife Nancy aka Marlene through him, etc.-- that this record of our first big falling-out seemed relevent. In short, Jack and Kate were have their first child (Sarah) and had no phone and no credit to get a phone with. I allowed them to use my name to get a phone -- and then got bitten of the ass when Jack tried to stiff ME with THEIR overdue bills! We eventually settled all this, but it was one of many occasions in which my good nature got me into hot water when friends ‘used’ me, and one of the few with documentation remaining. I’ll leave it at that… we survived, though our friendship later (in the 1990s) succumbed to another debacle I won’t get into. We later mended fences enough to collaborated, in a way, in two incarnations of an online discussion board collective Jack dubbed ‘The Kingdom,’ with my board called ‘The Swamp.’—S.B.]

http://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/nzuzng...titled_9_a.wma

[Kyle Venooker]

Never forget that Jack Venooker is a sociopathic liar. We're talking about a guy so mentally disturbed he actually threatened to sue the owner of a comic book message board, because a sock puppet he didn't like was making fun of him. Everything Vap wrote is a lie. Jack's Colostomy Bag popped up to make fun of Ole Vap one day, and Jack freaked the fuck out over it. He emailed Rick Veitch, threatening to sue Rick Veitch and Comicon if JCB wasn't removed, claiming it was "identity theft." That's why Jack Venooker was banned. Ask anyone over at Comicon who was around at the time. The only person Vap beat the shit out of was himself. He takes this message board "king of the gutters" shit way too seriously for a 50+ year old man. He can't stop talking about it. It's just about the most pitiful thing I think I've ever seen. I know this message board stuff is all he really has, and sometimes I feel a little guilty for fucking with him.