anybody done this before?

[maks]

2 button interface, the 'start' button (despite how dumb it's name is, it is useful as fuck), control panel, etc

I don't understand why everything in Mac OS is organized by "file, edit, options, etc" and which "file/edit/options/etc" depends on which window you're in, so getting to any sort of a root menu (especially when you have multiple windows opened up) becomes a pain in the ass.

Because putting it on every window is a waste of valuable screen real estate. if you can't figure out that the bar at the top reflects which window is active maybe you shouldn't be using a computer in the first place

The Windows OS has its flaws, but its interface just makes more sense than Mac -- much more sense than some esoteric "double click here or click a combination of funny looking esoteric symbols on the keyboard like a clover-leaf that simply aren't congruent with any sort of logic". The "Windows" button sort of make's sense - it 'windows' out of whatever 'window' you are in. But the clover leaf button? Why the fuck is it a clover leaf?

Going through elementary school in the mid 90s, I had more than one opportunity to test out both the mac and windows OS, and you want to know which one made more sense, and the one which every peer of mine agreed as being 'better' to use? Windows OS.

I remember thinking as early as 5 years old, "Why the fuck does this button do this?" when using a macintosh, but then attempting to do the same thing on windows and being able to figure it out without issue.

So you made your descision based on looks and layout over core functionality, the same thing people like to criticize apple users for?

The people who designed the windows OS interface designed it to be more intuitive. Ultimately, once you have become so familiar with both operating systems that you know how to do everything on both, it's just a matter of how fast each is. So what does Mac bring to the table?
Well, Mac "doesn't" have viruses, because no one who matters uses Macs so who the fuck would write viruses for Macs?

It doesn't have virus problems for the same reason linux doesn't, because it's a better, more secure, more solid system at every level.

A shitload of software isn't compatible with Macs, and Mac is the one who dropped the ball on this one as far as I'm concerned...

Actually when you factor in how easy it is to run or port over *nix software OSX has a much larger library of programs than Windows does.

Mac STILL isn't fully compatible with Flash and such -- these are things that have been around for more than 10 years; it's time to get with the fucking program

what the christ are you talking about? you're not going to win arguments by hardcore just making shit up. flash works exactly the same as it does on any other desktop OS and has since I started using osx in 2006.

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what the christ are you talking about? you're not going to win arguments by hardcore just making shit up. flash works exactly the same as it does on any other desktop OS and has since I started using osx in 2006.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=659567

[maks]

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=659567

oh ok so one guy had an issue with flash 3 years ago and made a forum post about it, that's all the proof I need

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oh ok so one guy had an issue with flash 3 years ago and made a forum post about it, that's all the proof I need

may i point out that that wasn't a forum dedicated to mac-bashing; that was a forum full of mac users
This was only back in 2009, and more than 2/3 of the 30 or so people who replied to that thread agreed or alluded to the fact that their macs were having trouble with flash

[maks]

may i point out that that wasn't a forum dedicated to mac-bashing; that was a forum full of mac users
This was only back in 2009, and more than 2/3 of the 30 or so people who replied to that thread agreed that their macs were having trouble with flash

so your conclusive proof that windows is better than osx is that a guy had a problem and posted on a forum about it

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so your conclusive proof that windows is better than osx is that a guy had a problem and posted on a forum about it

it seems more like a democratically agreed upon fact in that thread that macs struggle with flash; and the issue at hand is just trying to understand why macs struggle with flash as opposed to if they struggle with flash.
Sure, PCs running windows have many problems, but most of the problems can be attributed to human error - and if you know what you're doing, these problems can be fixed yourself. On a Mac, when you have a serious problem, what do you do? Other than run to the Mac store and pay hundreds of dollars to get a problem fixed with the core mac software.

[maks]

it seems more like a democratically agreed upon fact in that thread that macs struggle with flash; and the issue at hand is just trying to understand why macs struggle with flash as opposed to if they struggle with flash.

it's a mac forum full of mac users it would be a little out of place for them to complain about bad flash performance on their TSR 80's don't you think?

Sure, PCs running windows have many problems, but most of the problems can be attributed to human error - and if you know what you're doing, these problems can be fixed yourself. On a Mac, when you have a serious problem, what do you do? Other than run to the Mac store and pay hundreds of dollars to get a problem fixed with the core mac software.

as a guy who works on these sorts of problems all day long for a living and stuff, only about half can be attributed to human error, the rest can be attributed to windows being shit. in 6 years I've never had a problem that required me to reinstall OSX, Windows on the other hand I generally reinstall about once a year.

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that link is full of hate against microsoft, some even accusing microsoft of paying adobe to not make flash compatible with anything besides windows; but all those gay ass mac users who are congregating on that forum can't seem to figure out why their macs are running adobe flash so shittily. Could it be because the Mac machine is wasting all its resources on a 'cool looking' interface and memory leaks?

[maks]

that link is full of hate against microsoft, some even accusing microsoft of paying adobe to not make flash compatible with anything besides windows; but all those gay ass mac users who are congregating on that forum can't seem to figure out why their macs are running adobe flash so shittily. Could it be because the Mac machine is wasting all its resources on a 'cool looking' interface and memory leaks?

no, the 'cool looking' interface is less resource intensive than windows 7's aero bullshit. the only memory leaks I've ever seen are from firefox which (drumroll please) does the same shit on windows. I'll be honest I didn't real that thread I saw it was an ancient forum post and I was like 'he must be fucking kidding me' but I'd bet money that either this guy is trying to run a modern browser and flash plugin on an ancient machine or he did something to fuck it up himself. flash is pretty shitty on every platform but it's also no worse on the mac than any other os.

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no, the 'cool looking' interface is less resource intensive than windows 7's aero bullshit.

windows 7's fancy interface was, in my opinion, only made in response to Mac's fancy interface.

Microsoft got scared of Apple, and started emulating them. This was a big mistake on microsoft's part; they should have just ignored apple instead of getting down into the gutter with them

[maks]

windows 7's fancy interface was, in my opinion, only made in response to Mac's fancy interface.

Microsoft got scared of Apple, and started emulating them. This was a big mistake on microsoft's part; they should have just ignored apple instead of getting down into the gutter with them

windows was made in response to the mac's fancy interface. if it wasn't for apple you would be running DOS. deal with it.

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windows was made in response to the mac's fancy interface. if it wasn't for apple you would be running DOS. deal with it.

there were many exchanges between apple and microsoft in the early days; you can equally blame both of them for ripping off the other back during those days.

The real point is, microsoft came out on top when PCs were actually becoming a widespread household item (mid to late 90s and most of the 2000s), and that was for a good reason: THE MAC OS BACK THEN SUCKED SO MUCH ASS IT MAKES MY HEAD SPIN

apple may have outgrown their shitty jewish ways of tricking consumers into buying garbage, but I can't forgive them for it

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windows was made in response to the mac's fancy interface. if it wasn't for apple you would be running DOS. deal with it.

which was in turn "based on" xerox alto, except that the alto's mouse had 3x as many buttons as an apple mouse does

[maks]

which was in turn "based on" xerox alto, except that the alto's mouse had 3x as many buttons as an apple mouse does

I'm aware of that, xerox may have invented the gui but it was apple that thought to make one for consumers. If it wasn't for the mac the idea of a graphical desktop would still be nothing but a footnote.

It doesn't have virus problems for the same reason linux doesn't, because it's a better, more secure, more solid system at every level.

unix based operating systems are more secure but let's not overlook market share as being a pretty big reason

if people had more reason to target Unix based operating systems Apple wouldn't be claiming "immunity" to viruses for very long, Windows IS less secure and has a far larger market share, so it makes sense to exploit it since it's easier and gives access to a much larger "audience"