windows 8.1 still sucks

[Plug Drugs]

give me a DOS manual and a dictionary and I can do anything you can do in DOS; granted it will take me some more time, because you've just used DOS more and are more experienced with it, but I would still be able to catch up

[maks]

the only thing standing as a barrier between me and understanding DOS is the esoteric nature of language;
if i changed all the syntax of commands around to random symbols, you'd probably have to relearn DOS entirely

you're right, if they changed every single dos command I'd have to relearn it, that's a very astute observation

by the way, they did do that and I did learn it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powershell

[maks]

give me a DOS manual and a dictionary and I can do anything you can do in DOS; granted it will take me some more time, because you've just used DOS more and are more experienced with it, but I would still be able to catch up

lies, if you were going to use dos you'd be using it now. you're a newbie hooked on his GUI and you have no place criticizing windows 8 users

[Plug Drugs]

you're right, if they changed every single dos command I'd have to relearn it, that's a very astute observation

by the way, they did do that and I did learn it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powershell

good for you; does that make it a good thing to dumb down the user interface of windows to an even lower tier of simplification, such that trying to do any sort of file management on your computer is just tedious or even impossible?
I can cut a file from my downloads folder and paste it into one of my music, movies, videos, or pictures folders faster than you could type out the command for doing that on command prompt..
And I could DEFINITELY do it faster than someone on Windows 8 could, who would have to fumble around with applications that take up the entire screen first before getting to where they'd need to go

[maks]

good for you; does that make it a good thing to dumb down the user interface of windows to an even lower tier of simplification, such that trying to do any sort of file management on your computer is just tedious or even impossible?
I can cut a file from my downloads folder and paste it into one of my music, movies, videos, or pictures folders faster than you could type out the command for doing that on command prompt..
And I could DEFINITELY do it faster than someone on Windows 8 could, who would have to fumble around with applications that take up the entire screen first before getting to where they'd need to go

Please explain how making the pretty pictures slightly bigger in Windows 8 dumbs down the interface any more than Windows itself already did before you even started using it.

[maks]

I'm betting that despite how minor the changes are you'd be completely lost in windows 8 and that's why it bugs you so much

also I'd love to see you navigate around explorer faster than I can type 'move filename %USERPROFILE%\documents"

[maks]

how about move all files of a particular type

move *.txt %USERPROFILE%\documents

What's that? I'm done and you're still fumbling around with ctrl+click? who would have thought

[Plug Drugs]

Please explain how making the pretty pictures slightly bigger in Windows 8 dumbs down the interface any more than Windows itself already did before you even started using it.

it makes things like file management more time consuming, and ultimately that discourages people from ever learning anything about their computer, as they're only going to learn what's convenient.

And that doesn't imply that Windows 8 is more convenient; it just means that what little convenience it does provide is only convenient to an extent. Anyone who spends a lot of time on their computer is going to end up wasting time due to efficiency reasons on windows 8 compared to windows 7, assuming they don't change the interface from default

[maks]

keep ctrl+clicking, I'm going to go do the same thing in *nix and still finish before you've had a chance to hit ctrl-x

mv *.txt ~\Documents

[maks]

it makes things like file management more time consuming, and ultimately that discourages people from ever learning anything about their computer, as they're only going to learn what's convenient.

You mean like how you never learned any DOS commands, right? Because it's more convenient to let trhe pretty pictures hold your hand and stroke your hair

And that doesn't imply that Windows 8 is more convenient; it just means that what little convenience it does provide is only convenient to an extent. Anyone who spends a lot of time on their computer is going to end up wasting time due to efficiency reasons on windows 8 compared to windows 7, assuming they don't change the interface from default

It actually implies that explorer in windows 8 is identical to the one in windows 7 and you've never even seen the OS you're criticizing

[Plug Drugs]

We want a world filled with intelligent people; we don't want a mass population of mongoloids who throw fits when things don't work for them

[maks]

Holy shit that looks... oddly familiar

[maks]

We want a world filled with intelligent people; we don't want a mass population of mongoloids who throw fits when things don't work for them

I aree, that's why it sickens me when picture clickers like you get on your high horse bragging about what big smart power users you are

[Plug Drugs]

keep ctrl+clicking, I'm going to go do the same thing in *nix and still finish before you've had a chance to hit ctrl-x

mv *.txt ~\Documents

how'd you learn the name of the downloaded file without typing other commands first

[Plug Drugs]

under optimum optimum conditions for both of us, i can move both window panes for the download folder and the destination folder almost on top of each other, and i can click and ctrl+x ctrl+v pretty fast, its going to be faster than you typing out the command even if you already know the name of the file you're moving

[maks]

how'd you learn the name of the downloaded file without typing other commands first

Well you see, mr gui dependent newb retard, an asterisk is a wildcard and represents everything matching the rest of the string

[maks]

under optimum optimum conditions for both of us, i can move both window panes for the download folder and the destination folder almost on top of each other, and i can click and ctrl+x ctrl+v pretty fast, its going to be faster than you typing out the command even if you already know the name of the file you're moving

I'll be done before you even get the two explorer windows open and pointed at the right locations.

[Plug Drugs]

I aree, that's why it sickens me when picture clickers like you get on your high horse bragging about what big smart power users you are

making those pictures even bigger isn't going to fix that

[maks]

making those pictures even bigger isn't going to fix that

No, it's not, and I never claimed it would. My argument is that you are exactly the sort of person you're complaining about and exactly as stupid as someone who has never used anything but Windows 8.

[Plug Drugs]

You mean like how you never learned any DOS commands, right? Because it's more convenient to let trhe pretty pictures hold your hand and stroke your hair

I can do things in DOS if I have to, ask your average Windows 8 user if they can do anything in DOS

It actually implies that explorer in windows 8 is identical to the one in windows 7 and you've never even seen the OS you're criticizing

Windows 8 forces you to use the metro interface for various things

[Plug Drugs]

No, it's not, and I never claimed it would. My argument is that you are exactly the sort of person you're complaining about and exactly as stupid as someone who has never used anything but Windows 8.

but if you can agree that making those pictures bigger is going to leave the user dumber, and you can agree that we want a population of people who know what they're doing, then you couldn't possibly approve of the windows 8 interface, lest you tolerate dissonance in your brain

[maks]

I can do things in DOS if I have to, ask your average Windows 8 user if they can do anything in DOS

They can google it just as well as you can. Looking shit up != knowing how to use it

Windows 8 forces you to use the metro interface for various things

Like what?

but if you can agree that making those pictures bigger is going to leave the user dumber,

I don't agree with that, I think it's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard and that's why I've spent the last 10 posts ripping on you for saying it

[Plug Drugs]

also, there are many examples of tasks where a GUI has a DOS-user beat in terms of speed and efficiency;
for example, if i wanted to move 3 files that were next to each other in a folder, WITHOUT moving any others, i could click and drag to select, cut and paste them.
You wouldn't be able to do this in DOS.

[always stevey]

Don't try to deflect this back onto me, you're in here whining that windows 8 will breed a new generation of idiots who don't understand the basic principles behind what they're doing, meanwhile windows already did that 20 years ago and you're one of the idiots it bred, you hypocrite.

hahaha lol

[Plug Drugs]

They can google it just as well as you can. Looking shit up != knowing how to use it

Something tells me if you stick your average person who praises Windows 8 into DOS and tell them to append a line of text to a file like you asked me earlier, they're not going to even know where to begin.

[maks]

Something tells me if you stick your average person who praises Windows 8 into DOS and tell them to append a line of text to a file like you asked me earlier, they're not going to even know where to begin.

Neither would you, you googled two solutions and they were both wrong

jesus who fuckign cares

nerds

[maks]

jesus who fuckign cares

if it was up to you every thread would be about cag

if only yall could see each others point of view a little more and agree that both a gui and a command line each have their strengths and weaknesses, you can conclude a fair way to work is to use both.

i skimmed through this thread a little bit and i think maybe the complaint plug drugs against windows 8 has isnt as hypocritical as maks makes it out to be, on the basis that plugs drugs uses the windows gui so he's already using dumbed down software, etc.

i can think of changes to my present windows experience that i would have welcomed, but didn't happen. eventually if you simplify something enough the computer will just turn right back into a television, where there's no creating, only consuming (think about how in particular bill gates trys to reaffirm that users 'like to create, and they like to consume').. maybe plug drugs doesnt like the element of oversimplification or the idea of 'dumbing down' which is a fair point, idk my laptop battery has like 1% i gotta hit submit early or itll all be lost ahhhh