lisa i have to take my dock and hoists out of the water today cause my lake will get very cold over the next month or so, do u want me to skype or w/e when i am done so i can go into great detail about how i jetted giant poles out and moved 3000 pound metal beasts along the sandbar,, it will be epic i assure u of that and i know how u like hearing about my various lake adverenters