people who drink coffee tend to live shorter, people who drink alcohol tend to live longer

[Moonman]

correlation is not causation, also wheres the study moron

pretty sure it has to do with alcohol's dilation of blood vessels promoting good heart health and caffeine's damaging effect on the vascular system, its just science doli. Here's an abstract:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...10.01286.x/pdf
oh youve got to register to view it, oh those fucking jews, well here is some schmuck internet journalist's flawed and biased take on the study:
http://content.time.com/time/magazin...017200,00.html

and as for the coffee thing i dont think thats very true, for every study saying that coffee is bad for you there's one more that says its good for you

[Genital Doli]

that study doesnt compare coffee drinkers and alcohol drinkers, it compares moderate alcohol drinkers to non-drinkers and heavy drinkers. i also rly have to question the methodology, all they did was get a bunch of old ppls names and drinking status then wait for them to die so they could look at their death certificates. the ppl who were heavy drinkers at the age of 55 could easily have stopped at the age of 56, someone who was a heavy drinker at age 54 could easily have abstained at age 55 and been listed as an abstainer, etc. this study is shit, and theres also this pretty enormous qualifier tucked in:

A model controlling for former problem drinking status, existing health problems, and key sociodemographic and social-behavioral factors, as well as for age and gender, substantially reduced the mortality effect for abstainers compared to moderate drinkers

[Moonman]

that study doesnt compare coffee drinkers and alcohol drinkers, it compares moderate alcohol drinkers to non-drinkers and heavy drinkers. i also rly have to question the methodology, all they did was get a bunch of old ppls names and drinking status then wait for them to die so they could look at their death certificates. the ppl who were heavy drinkers at the age of 55 could easily have stopped at the age of 56, someone who was a heavy drinker at age 54 could easily have abstained at age 55 and been listed as an abstainer, etc. this study is shit, and theres also this pretty enormous qualifier tucked in:

yeah that doesn't matter the numbers are large enough where a few heavy drinker becoming abstainers or abstainers becoming heavy drinkers here or there doesnt really put a dent in these percentages:

The sample of those who were studied included individuals between ages 55 and 65 who had had any kind of outpatient care in the previous three years. The 1,824 participants were followed for 20 years. One drawback of the sample: a disproportionate number, 63%, were men. Just over 69% of the abstainers died during the 20 years, 60% of the heavy drinkers died and only 41% of moderate drinkers died.

[Genital Doli]

yeah that doesn't matter the numbers are large enough where a few heavy drinker becoming abstainers or abstainers becoming heavy drinkers here or there doesnt really put a dent in these percentages:

thats not true. prior drinking history is a huge thign that they didnt even take into account

[Moonman]

thats not true. prior drinking history is a huge thign that they didnt even take into account

like that even matters, i think a bigger flaw is the fact that someone with cancer probably isnt going to be hitting the bottle.
Also, cancer is the leading cause of death in that age group

[Moonman]

when im on speed, drinking alcohol can alleviate the body load, lower my high heart rate, and virtually eliminate the stimulant comedown/crash, as long as i'm drinking lots of water and staying hydrated as well. That's all the proof i need that alcohol is healthy for you. I'm a huge proponent of poly-drug use. If youre gonna do drugs you might as well just speedball it

[Genital Doli]

when im on speed, drinking alcohol can alleviate the body load, lower my high heart rate, and virtually eliminate the stimulant comedown/crash, as long as i'm drinking lots of water and staying hydrated as well. That's all the proof i need that alcohol is healthy for you. I'm a huge proponent of poly-drug use. If youre gonna do drugs you might as well just speedball it

the plural of anecdote is not data

[Moonman]

you could say that participants of the study who already had serious health problems to begin with would be less likely to drink, I'd take that as a valid counter-argument