Lisa, come look at something I wrote and posted at a physics forum

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This is why 3 quarks stay together and also why electrons stay with protons. Things will separate if pushed together forcefully, usually don't due to the separation in scale between them.

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I know I'm right, and I'm pretty sure a lot of existing math on the subject says the same thing. But right there is where most people's understanding drops off, so trying to give someone a new idea is going to lead to a lot of headaches and shouting

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The second you tell someone + and - don't attract, question marks begin appearing above everyone's head. Then when you go on to say gravity doesn't attract either, the question marks turn into frowns and people stop listening

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Neither do I but if that is the case for you you shouldn't try to use it especially out of context. If you can't explain something in layman's terms then I've always said that you don't understand it yourself. I met guys at uni who would regurgitate a bunch of shit from a text book at you to try and impress you and make them look intelligent, I would always ask them what that actually means in layman's terms and not once was one of those who had did that were able to. I could always tell they were just trying it on. Somone who actually knows and grasps the concept can explain it in laymen's or very simple terms or analogies, if they can't then basically all they showed me was that there were as intelligent as a parrot.

I know exactly what you mean. There's a good quote by Machiavelli "a man who seeks to make a profession out of goodness finds his ruin rather than his preservation, as he is among so many who are not good". Money makes everything way too easy for everybody and turns them into whiney entitled children, like the guys you're talking about who can recite passages from a textbook but couldn't give you a different way of wording it

[Lisa]

I was entertaining the possibility that + and - do not attract: + and + repel and so do - and - , and that's it. The reason + will stay alongside - is because the region of space that makes up where the - resides is a region of space it isn't experiencing repulsion from.

Well that's not really correct. I think strong force has something to do with something here, well it does for protons , it was keeps the neutrons and protons together... As for electrons well the strong force is actually the strongest force of all 4 forces but it only travels a minuscule space and for a minis clue time that it couldn't reach or affect a electron and these are called mesons. It's all very complicated.

Last time we did photons and this time it's mesons.

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Also, the idea of an electric universe isn't new.

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Well that's not really correct. I think strong force has something to do with something here, well it does for protons , it was keeps the neutrons and protons together... As for electrons well the strong force is actually the strongest force of all 4 forces but it only travels a minuscule space and for a minis clue time that it couldn't reach or affect a electron and these are called mesons. It's all very complicated.

Last time we did photons and this time it's mesons.

Isn't that just another way of saying that massive separations in scale prevent electrons from knocking loose quarks?

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So are you talking about gravity, electromagnetism or strong force or weak force?

Because you can't use the same theory for all of them.

I don't think either of us knows enough about quarks and bosons to really give this a good go.

[Lisa]

Isn't that just another way of saying that massive separations in scale prevent electrons from knocking loose quarks?

Scale does play a HUGE part in how the forces work

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Think about it this way: the electron can effect the down quark with repulsion, but the two up quarks just follow the down quark, and the quarks never get knocked loose because they're about as close as physically possible for 3 particles to be to each other.

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So are you talking about gravity, electromagnetism or strong force or weak force?

Because you can't use the same theory for all of them.

I don't think either of us knows enough about quarks and bosons to really give this a good go.

I just did though! Except for the weak nuclear force which I can't make sense of because is some mystery acting mirror force causing things to switch into different things for poorly understood reasons.

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Well the quarks have either positive or negative charges I know that much lol

But that not even anywhere near enough knowledge to get us through this lol

[Lisa]

I just did though! Except for the weak nuclear force which I can't make sense of because is some mystery acting mirror force causing things to switch into different things for poorly understood reasons.

No you most definitely have not!

[Lisa]

Yeah well here

"There are six flavors of quarks; the three positively charged quarks are called up-type quarks and the three negatively charged quarks are called down-type quarks."

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_particles

So there.

I have a list of particles open on Wikipedia man.... You really want to mess with me?

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Shyeah..... so..... What the fuck is a quark anyway?

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I had to teach some shit about quarks to PRIMARY SCHOOL KIDS.

I was very much wtf but I made them use cross graphs

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That's why I know they have positive or negative charges, from the cross graphs of them I made them do, thankfully I didn't hVe to understand much more than that because the main point was to use the graph properly

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But I remember thinking "shit"

I thought I was hardcore learning about protons and electrons in secondary science and there was telling a bunch of primary school kids to cross graph some quarks, no shit.

They are starting them early on this shit because I'm not sure anyone knows what the fuck is going on

[Lisa]

But I'm all for smashing some more shit together and seeing what happens

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And we'll get the 5 year olds to graph it

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Well the quarks have either positive or negative charges I know that much lol

But that not even anywhere near enough knowledge to get us through this lol

You don't need any more than that though to explain gravity

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if we can dump the whole 'attraction that comes out of thin air' thing that's still attached to gravity, then several enormous puzzle pieces just fell in our lap

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You don't need any more than that though to explain gravity

Lol yes you do, that doesn't even have anything to do with gravity. Gravity is a totally different force and one that has already been explained.

[Lisa]

Here we go, just found out that no-one really knows how gravity works on really short distances and I just found out something called "Planck length" so you go sink your teeth into that one.

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It would mean we could look at the shape of the universe right now and just based on the shape, know where it's been and know where it's going; and then based on that knowledge, fill in the rest of the blanks left in particle physics

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Lol yes you do, that doesn't even have anything to do with gravity. Gravity is a totally different force and one that has already been explained.

It hasn't been explained though. Look at the damn equation: "gravitational constant", what is that? its a placeholder for magical 'attraction'
Where did that attraction come from? Things do not just appear out of thin air.

Follow the lines of force back through that 'attraction' and take a look at its source: everything I've been talking about.

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Oh god and now I just thought of how light (photons) bends with gravity but has no mass but then that's easy because it's the space time field that is warped and that's what gravity is.

But at what kind of scale does all this break down?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_scale

There, you should like this

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Unfuckingbelievable, I'm right, once again, after receiving all the shit in the world from everybody

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It hasn't been explained though. Look at the damn equation: "gravitational constant", what is that? its a placeholder for magical 'attraction'
Where did that attraction come from? Things do not just appear out of thin air.

Follow the lines of force back through that 'attraction' and take a look at its source: everything I've been talking about.

I already explained gravity a number of times and posted a gif about it, I'll go back and find the gif image.

We are now talking about the scale at which these forces act

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Unfuckingbelievable, I'm right, once again, after receiving all the shit in the world from everybody

LMAO you are not fucking right, not at all, you have skirted around these concepts, mixed them up, made them up and done everything EXCEPT get them right lol. I'm helping you study now.