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    Quote Originally Posted by jon View Post
    uh yes it does matter this is a huge win for interposition and the 10th amendment

    the states are the reason there is a federal government at all, not the other way around
    how is it a win? a state can say something is legal under their own laws but that doesnt make it legal under federal law, and the federal government still ahs the jurisdiction to enforce federal law which is that marijuana is a schedule 1 substance and is illegal to distribute even for medicinal purpose (Gonzales v Raich, 2005) which is why the feds shut down/have threatened to shut down many medicinal marijuana dispensaries
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    Quote Originally Posted by Camoron View Post
    how is it a win? a state can say something is legal under their own laws but that doesnt make it legal under federal law, and the federal government still ahs the jurisdiction to enforce federal law which is that marijuana is a schedule 1 substance and is illegal to distribute. Gonzales v Raich, 2005
    "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

    The only reason they can ban drugs federally is because they come up with creative ways to interpret (read: destroy the spirit of) the commerce clause
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    Quote Originally Posted by maks View Post
    "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

    The only reason they can ban drugs federally is because they come up with creative ways to interpret (read: destroy the spirit of) the commerce clause

    fuck you hippy.

    look forward to dying in poverty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maks View Post
    "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

    The only reason they can ban drugs federally is because they come up with creative ways to interpret (read: destroy the spirit of) the commerce clause
    there is no spirit of the constitution or of any of the amendments to it. it is an intentionally vague, living document that has been challenged and interpreted differently for as long as its been in use. the founding fathers were not this idealistic group of guys that agreed on everything and they certainly never agreed on what the balance of power and autonomy between the federal government and the individual states should be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Camoron View Post
    there is no spirit of the constitution or of any of the amendments to it. it is a living document that has been challenged and interpreted differently for as long as its been in use. the founding fathers were not this idealistic group of guys that agreed on everything and they certainly never agreed on what the balance of power and autonomy between the federal government and the individual states should be.
    What a crock of shit. The constitution is a living document in that it can be amended. However, words mean stuff, you can't just reinterpret them to mean what you want them to mean. If the framers of the constitution had intended to give the federal government the power to ban drugs they would not have phrased it "Congress shall have Power to regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian tribes". "Interpretation" is just a dishonest and immoral shortcut around the amendment process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maks View Post
    What a crock of shit. The constitution is a living document in that it can be amended. However, words mean stuff, you can't just reinterpret them to mean what you want them to mean. If the framers of the constitution had intended to give the federal government the power to ban drugs they would not have phrased it "Congress shall have Power to regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian tribes". "Interpretation" is just a dishonest and immoral shortcut around the amendment process.
    tell that to george washington and alexander hamilton. implied powers, general welfare clause, necessary and proper clause, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Camoron View Post
    tell that to george washington and alexander hamilton. implied powers, general welfare clause, necessary and proper clause, etc.
    unfortunately they're dead so I'll have to stick to calling Obama a stupid cocksucker on the internet
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