dont ever take tramadol in excessively high doses a bunch like every day for a couple weeks in a row

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Its a shitty opioid with a bizarre pharmacological profile beyond its opioid effects. Its a moderately strong nmda antagonist for one, which is what dissociative drugs usually are which all have rumors about them causinv long term brain damage
Its a moderatr serotonin and norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor, so its fucks with your system in the same way jumping on a high dose of antidepressants and then jumping off of them a week later would, fucking up your psyche's baseline

Basically, i feel fucking fried and goofy, and ive felt.this way before after binging on shitty tramadol, and ive felt this way before in the past from binging on.it. Last time it took like 3 months to feel normal again

Moral is dont take goofy ass medication, stick to.the gold standard. If your doctor tries lrescriving you ultram/tramadol tell him to shove it up his ass and just give you some fucking hydrocodone

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Your not their fucking hamster or guinea pig tell them flat out to stop prescribing this shit you dont need medication fucking you up in 30 different goofy ways, its fucking garbage

Wheres all the fucking oxycodone in this country going??? The.metric tonneage consumed by this country has been increasing exponentially for like 2 decades; its not rampant on the streets anymore, my guess is upper middle class is getting.loaded up on it and just keeps quiet about it, you fucking smack heafs. Theyve sent peolle to.prison for years over the shit you load up on casually thinking youre right and the drug addict.in prison is wrong. Well yoh want to know soneyhing? I hope you fucking DIE

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How are people just okay with themselves.in their daily life knowing that they play favorites like a little fucking kid

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This country is going to hell; youre a bunch of.lost children in adults bodies

[juji]

Perhaps, you should save money from drugs to purchase a firearm

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I feel genuinely retardified, or at least that my brain has been knocked back to that of a 13 year old

Tramadol is notorious for reducing seizure threshold as well, so basically i may have been putting myself in a near-seizure state, and the excess sporadic activity may have fried my brain out a little like a neurological reset button

[jon]

why dont you just stop abusing pain killers and maybe your problems wwill stop

[maks]

Perhaps, you should save money from drugs to purchase a firearm

[steveyos2]

perhaps you should to

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why dont you just stop abusing pain killers and maybe your problems wwill stop

I broke my collar bone when I was 7 - awkward rib cage
I broke my femur when I was 16 and got a metal rod put in - stiff leg
I also accidentally knocked one of my ribs out of its cartilage when I was a kid

all in all, some days I just need pain medication.
Only one problem: eyebrows. Thats right, eyebrows. I was tragically born with too stern of a look on my face. The second I mention anything giving away that I'm knowledgeable about medicine, I am suspected of being a drug seeker. It also looks bad to be prescribed both d-amphetamine and opiates/opioids, which I won't disagree with.

I have only a few options then:
1. Drink my fucking ass off
2. Physical therapy, which I already do myself as best I can anyways. Trust me, over the years I've HAD to do it myself otherwise my skeletal muscle tissue would probably heat warp and curl my skeleton up into a little ball

You know why I wouldnt be inclined to use opioids in excess? Because I've already had the opportunity to over the years, and know first hand that using them in excess does not get you high, it gets you tired - which isn't desirable for me.
Basically, a small 10-20 count bottle of hydrocodone or oxycodone at a moderate dose prescribed once every few months would be ideal for my situation; I'm not always in pain, just some days.

There, now you know my situation. Are you going to go to bat for me? Of course you're not.
I guess I'm just going to have to wait a couple decades til my body starts giving out and I break some more bones from something like not being able to get out of the way of moving car in time

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also, try convincing family members that its a good thing for you to drink alcohol because it dilates blood vessels and helps you loosen up your muscles, helping stop muscle pain from recurring for some time even after the alcohol has been metabolized

see how well that works out for you when they sit around junking out on dr phil and judge shows 6 hours a day

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its always a double edged sword, any solution you can think of. the best thing would be for a person like me to be educated, and medicate myself based on intuition
and then never fucking mention a word about it so i dont get my balls cut off

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I don't enjoy being completely boozed up and wasted; I don't drink and drive; I don't take medications that have interactions with each other (and I am really strict with myself on this; I'll wait days and days between taking things, waiting several half-lives longer than necessary just to be sure levels are well below negligible)

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my capacity for self-discipline on these matters usually never fails me... unless of course one of the goofy ones sneaks up on me, like tramadol, then I become functionally retarded for a few weeks and my brain has to reconstruct appropriate emotional responsiveness again. It's like getting to have to go through being a teenager again so your psyche is able to reconstruct a sense of appropriate 'social norms' once more, except all in the span of 2 weeks

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and oh boy, syntax and forming the right tense of a sentence, thats a fun cognitive rubicks cube to have to re-dick around with

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How many people in the United States die or suffer serious harm from acetaminophen overdose?

To try to answer this question, ProPublica examined three sets of primary data, as well as dozens of scientific studies. While the data sets varied on the total number of deaths, all three showed an increase in acetaminophen-linked fatalities over much of the past decade, with only occasional year-to-year declines.

Here is an in-depth look at the numbers.

Data compiled by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration has linked as many as 980 deaths in a year to drugs containing acetaminophen. In addition, FDA reports of death associated with acetaminophen have been increasing faster than those for aspirin, ibuprofen and many other common over-the-counter pain medicines.

Data obtained from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show that more than 300 people die annually as a result of acetaminophen poisoning.

Beginning in 2006, according to the CDC, the number of people who died after accidentally taking too much acetaminophen surpassed the number who died from intentionally overdosing to commit suicide.

The American Association of Poison Control Centers (AAPCC), a nonprofit that receives federal funds, shows about 113 people dying each year as a result of overdosing on medicines with acetaminophen. Since 2006, acetaminophen has accounted for more fatalities than all other over-the-counter pain relievers combined, according to AAPCC data.

Why the large differences? Because each organization’s data has strengths and weaknesses.

The FDA relies primarily on individual case reports, called FDA Adverse Event Reports, submitted by drug makers, consumers and doctors. Drug makers must submit information about any cases they learn about involving side effects linked to their drugs, while reports by consumers and healthcare workers are voluntary. The reports often lack key information. By some estimates, the FDA system captures from 1 percent to 10 percent of adverse events involving drugs.

Most important, the reports do not demonstrate a causal connection between a person’s death and a particular drug, just an association. This is a crucial issue for acetaminophen, because that drug is often combined with other drugs into one medication. For example, the prescription painkiller Vicodin combines acetaminophen with the powerful opioid painkiller hydrocodone. If a person dies after taking Vicodin, the FDA report does not say whether it was caused by hydrocodone or acetaminophen, or even some other drug. So the FDA data only allows one to say a drug is linked to or associated with the death.

The CDC’s primary source of information for acetaminophen poisoning is death certificates submitted by health care professionals, coroners and medical examiners. These go into the agency’s Multiple Cause of Death database. The CDC estimates that it captures the vast majority of death certificates filed in the United States, and its format attempts to determine the primary cause of death for each case. But the quality of the reports depends upon the judgments of the local officials who review medical files, conduct autopsies and ultimately fill out death certificates.

The AAPCC draws its data from the dozens of poison control centers throughout the nation that advise people who fear they have ingested a poisonous substance, as well as healthcare providers who treat such patients. Those calls form the basis of the AAPCC’s National Poison Data System. Its information is quite detailed – more so than the other two data sets.

But it, too, has a limitation: Not everybody who overdoses on a drug calls a poison control center. In particular, the AAPCC data may underestimate fatalities for the simple reason that there is little need to call a poison control center if a person has already died. Poison control center officials have acknowledged that the AAPCC’s overall fatality numbers capture only a fraction of poisoning deaths.

While the AAPCC publishes annual reports with detailed tables, its full data set is expensive. The organization receives substantial taxpayer money from the CDC, yet it charges citizens and even other government agencies for more detailed access to its raw data.

After examining the data sets and checking the numbers with the CDC and AAPCC, ProPublica has generally relied upon the CDC figures as a primary source of information. We judged that the death certificate information, while imperfect, represented the most rigorous collection of data. (And yes, we are aware of the series we did pointing out the flaws of death investigations in America.) However, we have also used information from the FDA and the AAPCC, such as when the organization’s data was used in a regulatory setting or when it was the sole source of information on a particular issue.

Both the CDC and the AAPCC data show that acetaminophen toxicity results in more deaths per year than do drugs such as ibuprofen and naproxen, the so-called NSAIDs (non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs). McNeil Consumer Healthcare, the Johnson & Johnson unit that makes Tylenol and ibuprofen under the Motrin brand, argues that the CDC and AAPCC death counts do not contain enough information to compare the relative safety of different medications. The company contends that those databases “cannot be used in isolation” but must be taken in context with the totality of information available on the risks of the drugs.

In addition, McNeil and some epidemiologists argue that these data sets undercount deaths resulting from chronic use of NSAIDs. They point to studies showing the well-established medical fact that even at recommended doses, NSAIDs can cause stomach bleeding, sometimes serious or even fatal.

If all deaths caused by NSAIDs were counted, McNeil has argued, then those drugs could cause as many or more deaths per year than acetaminophen.

The CDC and AAPCC data sets count actual deaths attributed to medications such as acetaminophen and NSAIDs. They are not extrapolations.

To support its argument that NSAIDs may cause the greater number of deaths, McNeil has pointed to various studies – but they don’t count actual deaths attributed to NSAIDs. Instead, they use assumptions and mathematical models to estimate NSAID-related deaths.

Those studies have other limitations. McNeil and other researchers have cited a 1999 study that “conservatively estimated” as many as 16,500 U.S. deaths a year were related to NSAIDS. However, the lead author of that study wrote in an email that the estimate is outdated and “today is probably one-fourth of that.” Also, that estimate specifically excludes over-the-counter NSAIDs, meaning that it applies to prescription NSAIDs only.

That’s an important limitation. Some NSAIDs are only sold by prescription because they have not been deemed safe enough to be sold over-the-counter. Also, NSAIDs such as ibuprofen can have higher recommended daily doses when sold by prescription than when sold over-the-counter. Acetaminophen, however, has the same maximum recommended daily dose, whether obtained by prescription or not. So comparing prescription NSAIDs to acetaminophen, some researchers have argued, is an apples-to-oranges comparison.

An apples-to-apples comparison, these experts say, would look at deaths caused by over-the-counter NSAIDs to those caused by acetaminophen. No study McNeil cited does that.

One study, partly funded by McNeil, does something similar. It makes an estimate, based on mathematical modeling, about the relative risk of death for acetaminophen and over-the-counter NSAIDs. It found that acetaminophen has a lower risk of causing death than does over-the-counter ibuprofen or naproxen. However, the study states that its analysis is based on some findings “which are subject to considerable error,” the authors write. “We also made a number of assumptions for ease of comparison.” One of those assumptions: Everyone takes the medicines as directed and no one overdoses. But overdosing is the main cause of acetaminophen-related deaths.

For data on nonfatal injuries, ProPublica looked to a study that analyzed several databases. The National Hospital Ambulatory Medical Care Survey, which is conducted by the CDC, estimates that an average of 44,000 people per year visited emergency rooms for acetaminophen overdoses between 2000 and 2007. About half of them overdosed by accident; the rest attempted suicide or their overdoses were of undetermined cause.

A Consumer Products Safety Commission survey estimates more than 78,000 patients a year go to emergency rooms for acetaminophen overdoses, with about 30 percent accidentally taking too much, the study found. The study authors speculated that the difference between the number of emergency-room visits arises from how the two research teams identified acetaminophen overdose cases.

According to yet another database, the CDC’s National Hospital Discharge Survey, about 33,000 people are hospitalized annually due to acetaminophen poisoning, with about 75 percent of them having intentionally overdosed, the study found.

A note for data wonks. One fundamental question can be only roughly approximated: What is the fatality and injury ratio for acetaminophen? That is, how many deaths and serious injuries happen for every 100,000 people who take the drug? Various attempts have been made to answer that question. But nobody knows the numerator, the exact number of deaths and injuries. And no one knows the denominator, how many doses of acetaminophen are sold each year or, of those sold, how many are actually ingested by people. Over-the-counter acetaminophen is sold in bottles containing as many as 1,000 pills; how many people take all of those pills?

All we can say is that only a tiny fraction of people who take acetaminophen appear to suffer injuries or fatalities as a result. Adding up the highest estimates of injuries and deaths linked to acetaminophen would result in a total of a little over 110,000 incidents annually. About 27 billion doses were sold in 2009, the most recent year for which figures are publicly available. If all the pills were consumed, that would mean about one injury for every quarter million doses. In actuality, that almost certainly lowballs the rate of injuries, but by how much, nobody knows.

[steveyos2]

it's like my posts without the comedy

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its like your posts except they dont suck

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Also, here's a catch stevey: I like working, you don't

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working?

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you know like physically picking stuff up and placing it somewhere else in a way that is meaningful

[steveyos2]

I can beat you in a fight that's all that matters

[maks]

it's like my posts without the comedy

not at all, you write your own posts they're full of your own opinions he's just regurgitating shit he read on wikipedia in an ongoing failed effort to convince people he's smart

[steveyos2]

well I didn't read them I just noticed its a painful amount of words lmao

[maks]

just read the wikipedia page on whatever subject he's ranting about, same shit

[steveyos2]

he should write wiki articles about wiki articles maybe he'd end up a millionaire

[steveyos2]

write a wiki about it nerd