me playing guitar (don't act like you're not impressed)

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when was the last time you listened to a band because you saw them on a billboard? who even listens to radio anymore? most people discover music through word of mouth, if your band is good and they have a youtube video people will have heard of your band. if they haven't it's probably because no one shared it with their friends because no one liked it.

This is actually a big problem that is going to lead to the death of the music culture if it keeps going the way it's going.
The thing was back in the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s, is that talented people would eventually congregate in California (or Seattle in the case of Grunge). They did this because they were committed to what they were doing. Of course, there were a lot of failures who congregated in Hollywood too, but the point is that the music industry turned in to a machine that would pump out good music (it would pump out bad music too, but good music was bound to come out once in a while).

With the internet, this machine died, plain and simple.

When's the last time you heard a good song that was "new", and not a song that you liked just because of the image associated with the band.

In the words of Sick Boy "Yeah its not bad but its not great either, is it? and in your heart although you know it sounds 'alright' its actually just shite"

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im not reading it but im going to guess about 80% of it is shit you have almost no clue about but its presented in a way that makes it sound like you`re the worlds foremost expert

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The British Invasion was a pretty defining moment in both nations histories, actually. Through the 60s, 70s, 80s, all that shit, you had a fucking military occupation going on. At least some badass music came out of the subjugation of America, though... and I like to think it was sort of a marching song that was played when we helped beat back Big Brother's government in 1984.

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anyways my point was that people aren't ready to decide for themselves what they like and don't like again,
they've been spoon-fed for too long

So the "underground internet music scene" is just pumping out one load of garbage after the next

[maks]

anyways my point was that people aren't ready to decide for themselves what they like and don't like again,
they've been spoon-fed for too long

So the "underground internet music scene" is just pumping out one load of garbage after the next

you're still missing the point. there are no good underground bands because the good ones become popular and cease to be underground.

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also when people use the word "image" in music culture, they don't typically mean a single frame or visual image, they mean the impression that something gives.
This impression often includes a band's principles, philosophy, and beliefs

its not just the clothes they wear or what kind of car they drive

[maks]

also when people use the word "image" in music culture, they don't typically mean a single frame or visual image, they mean the impression that something gives.
This impression often includes a band's principles, philosophy, and beliefs

its not just the clothes they wear or what kind of car they drive

their principals, philosophy, and beliefs are no different than the clothes they wear. I'm paying these people to play me songs, not bitch about freeing tibet. I think it's great what Bono is doing for little black kids doesn't make U2 suck any less in my book.

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their principals, philosophy, and beliefs are no different than the clothes they wear. I'm paying these people to play me songs, not bitch about freeing tibet. I think it's great what Bono is doing for little black kids doesn't make U2 suck any less in my book.

The emotions you indentify with in a song are fine-tuned to your beliefs whether you know it or not. Why do you think pink floyd and led zeppelin are almost universally panned as stoner music by people who don't like them? It wasn't their "image" as you define it; they dressed the same as most other bands when up on stage.

Tool's drummer Danny wears a college basketball jersey up on stage a lot; Maynard sometimes doesn't wear anything at all and shaves off every piece of hair on his face to be completely void of "image" as much as possible so he can build a new image from the bottom up.. Tool has image though, a lot of it. idk.. that's just a theory of the stoned though.

[maks]

The emotions you indentify with in a song are fine-tuned to your beliefs whether you know it or not. Why do you think pink floyd and led zeppelin are almost universally panned as stoner music by people who don't like them? It wasn't their "image" as you define it; they dressed the same as most other bands when up on stage.

They have a sound that appeals to stoners. It has nothing to do with the image the band puts out per say, more like the image reflected back onto them by their audience.

Tool's drummer Danny wears a college basketball jersey up on stage a lot; Maynard sometimes doesn't wear anything at all and shaves off every piece of hair on his face to be completely void of "image" as much as possible so he can build a new image from the bottom up.. idk.. that's just a theory of the stoned though

maynard has been cultivating an image of "guy who's way too cool to be a rock star" for over a decade. the stuff you mentioned isn't any deeper or more meaningful than what marilyn manson does, it's all theatrics it's all just food for the posers.

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They have a sound that appeals to stoners. It has nothing to do with the image the band puts out per say, more like the image reflected back onto them by their audience.

So our difference in how we define "image" is that you view "image" as what is public interpretation, where as I view "image" as something that comes along inherently in the music, before the public has even listened to it

maynard has been cultivating an image of "guy who's way too cool to be a rock star" for over a decade. the stuff you mentioned isn't any deeper or more meaningful than what marilyn manson does, it's all theatrics it's all just food for the posers.

I think Tool's "image" (in the way you define it) is completely skewed and it doesn't reflect their music very well. When I first listened to Tool, I thought they were a bunch of "heavy rock" bozos who were just trying to sound bad ass intentionally.
Then as they grew on me, I started listening to the music a little more closely and started thinking "holy shit, these guys have talent that not many other bands have". There is a deeper philosophical mindset hidden in Tool's music that doesn't show up at all in the band's image. They put on an image only secondary, "because they have to", because its expected of a rock band, hence why Danny wears a sports jersey on stage despite their music being the complete opposite of "jock music".
What Tool should do is sell their records without any album covers, song names, and have no public appearance at all. They've got something in their music that is beyond what a normal rock band can get across, at least that's how I feel anyways.

if I were trying to act way too cool to be a rock star I would have thought of something cooler than a sport's jersey

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most people like bandss with a simpler "image" (getting laid, getting money, doing drugs, and just being an asshole in general)

[maks]

This is actually a big problem that is going to lead to the death of the music culture if it keeps going the way it's going.
The thing was back in the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s, is that talented people would eventually congregate in California (or Seattle in the case of Grunge). They did this because they were committed to what they were doing. Of course, there were a lot of failures who congregated in Hollywood too, but the point is that the music industry turned in to a machine that would pump out good music (it would pump out bad music too, but good music was bound to come out once in a while).

With the internet, this machine died, plain and simple.

the advent of the internet means that the entire world is california now I'm not sure how congregating in one specific area of the country is any more convenient than congregating on youtube and facebook. he music industry has no interest in pumping out good music, they are interested in pumping out whatever people will buy.

When's the last time you heard a good song that was "new", and not a song that you liked just because of the image associated with the band.

most of what's "new" to me isn't necessarily "new". probably the last rush album, the last ween album, or the last corporate avenger album, I dunno which came out most recently. people who care about music couldn't give a fuck about the "image" of the band that's purely for marketing to the posers.

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most of what's "new" to me isn't necessarily "new". probably the last rush album, the last ween album, or the last corporate avenger album, I dunno which came out most recently. people who care about music couldn't give a fuck about the "image" of the band that's purely for marketing to the posers.

There is a huge gray area in what constitutes a band's image. You could say that music itself brings image and self-identity with it whether sought after or not. You have to identify with the emotion being portrayed musically or else it won't sound good

One thing a lot of music historians will tell people is that if you want to understand what kind of frame of mind people had in distant generations of the past, listen to the music that was popular back then - the emotions in the melody are usually a good representation of what emotions people back then identified with.

[maks]

There is a huge gray area in what constitutes a band's image. You could say that music itself brings image and self-identity with it whether sought after or not. You have to identify with the emotion being portrayed musically or else it won't sound good

One thing a lot of music historians will tell people is that if you want to understand what kind of frame of mind people had in distant generations of the past, listen to the music that was popular back then - the emotions in the melody are usually a good representation of what emotions people back then identified with.

why do you say image when you mean sound, genre, or style?

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why do you say image when you mean sound, genre, or style?

synaesthesia from drug use maybe