me playing guitar (don't act like you're not impressed)

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their principals, philosophy, and beliefs are no different than the clothes they wear. I'm paying these people to play me songs, not bitch about freeing tibet. I think it's great what Bono is doing for little black kids doesn't make U2 suck any less in my book.

The emotions you indentify with in a song are fine-tuned to your beliefs whether you know it or not. Why do you think pink floyd and led zeppelin are almost universally panned as stoner music by people who don't like them? It wasn't their "image" as you define it; they dressed the same as most other bands when up on stage.

Tool's drummer Danny wears a college basketball jersey up on stage a lot; Maynard sometimes doesn't wear anything at all and shaves off every piece of hair on his face to be completely void of "image" as much as possible so he can build a new image from the bottom up.. Tool has image though, a lot of it. idk.. that's just a theory of the stoned though.

[maks]

The emotions you indentify with in a song are fine-tuned to your beliefs whether you know it or not. Why do you think pink floyd and led zeppelin are almost universally panned as stoner music by people who don't like them? It wasn't their "image" as you define it; they dressed the same as most other bands when up on stage.

They have a sound that appeals to stoners. It has nothing to do with the image the band puts out per say, more like the image reflected back onto them by their audience.

Tool's drummer Danny wears a college basketball jersey up on stage a lot; Maynard sometimes doesn't wear anything at all and shaves off every piece of hair on his face to be completely void of "image" as much as possible so he can build a new image from the bottom up.. idk.. that's just a theory of the stoned though

maynard has been cultivating an image of "guy who's way too cool to be a rock star" for over a decade. the stuff you mentioned isn't any deeper or more meaningful than what marilyn manson does, it's all theatrics it's all just food for the posers.

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They have a sound that appeals to stoners. It has nothing to do with the image the band puts out per say, more like the image reflected back onto them by their audience.

So our difference in how we define "image" is that you view "image" as what is public interpretation, where as I view "image" as something that comes along inherently in the music, before the public has even listened to it

maynard has been cultivating an image of "guy who's way too cool to be a rock star" for over a decade. the stuff you mentioned isn't any deeper or more meaningful than what marilyn manson does, it's all theatrics it's all just food for the posers.

I think Tool's "image" (in the way you define it) is completely skewed and it doesn't reflect their music very well. When I first listened to Tool, I thought they were a bunch of "heavy rock" bozos who were just trying to sound bad ass intentionally.
Then as they grew on me, I started listening to the music a little more closely and started thinking "holy shit, these guys have talent that not many other bands have". There is a deeper philosophical mindset hidden in Tool's music that doesn't show up at all in the band's image. They put on an image only secondary, "because they have to", because its expected of a rock band, hence why Danny wears a sports jersey on stage despite their music being the complete opposite of "jock music".
What Tool should do is sell their records without any album covers, song names, and have no public appearance at all. They've got something in their music that is beyond what a normal rock band can get across, at least that's how I feel anyways.

if I were trying to act way too cool to be a rock star I would have thought of something cooler than a sport's jersey

[maks]

I think Tool's "image" (in the way you define it) is completely skewed and it doesn't reflect their music very well. When I first listened to Tool, I thought they were a bunch of "heavy rock" bozos who were just trying to sound bad ass intentionally.
Then as they grew on me, I started listening to the music a little more closely and started thinking "holy shit, these guys have talent that not many other bands have". There is a deeper philosophical mindset hidden in Tool's music that doesn't show up at all in the band's image. They put on an image only secondary, "because they have to", because its expected of a rock band, hence why Danny wears a sports jersey on stage despite their music being the complete opposite of "jock music".

If they were all about the music you wouldn't know their names. They want to be celebrities. There's nothing wrong with that.

if I were trying to act way too cool to be a rock star I would have thought of something cooler than a sport's jersey

Hardcore drinking the kool-aid on this one

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If they were all about the music you wouldn't know their names. They want to be celebrities. There's nothing wrong with that.

I'm sure they enjoy the fame to an extent, but not as much as other bands do
maynard won't go out in public without wearing a wig and disguise, and according to myth "shoots at obsessive crazed fans with a paintball gun to get them off his private premises"

I think they try to let the music stand by itself as much as they can.
They're not trying to promote a certain way to dress, a certain way to act, or a certain "music scene". At a Tool concert, you see all sorts of people who all associate themselves with different genres of music. Although Tool may be technically considered "metal", the crowd of fans is about as "metal" as the crowd at a bob dylan concert is "folk".

[maks]

I'm sure they enjoy the fame to an extent, but not as much as other bands do
maynard won't go out in public without wearing a wig and disguise, and according to myth "shoots at obsessive crazed fans with a paintball gun to get them off his private premises"

I think they try to let the music stand by itself as much as they can.
They're not trying to promote a certain way to dress, a certain way to act, or a certain "music scene". At a Tool concert, you see all sorts of people who all associate themselves with different genres of music. Although Tool may be technically considered "metal", the crowd of fans is about as "metal" as the crowd at a bob dylan concert is "folk".

is marilyn manson promoting his style? does he encourage people to dress like him? tool's casual in a way that makes them appealing to people who are anti-glam. that may not be the right description but it's the best I could think of. anyway, it's just as calculated, and just as much a part of the show, as kiss's makeup.

I don't know who classifies tool as metal, they're not nearly fast enough or dark enough to be a metal band. they're hard rock if anything.

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is marilyn manson promoting his style? does he encourage people to dress like him? tool's casual in a way that makes them appealing to people who are anti-glam. that may not be the right description but it's the best I could think of. anyway, it's just as calculated, and just as much a part of the show, as kiss's makeup.

I don't know who classifies tool as metal, they're not nearly fast enough or dark enough to be a metal band. they're hard rock if anything.

i think its as calculated as it could be during the few seconds they thought "what are we going to wear out on stage? we have to wear something"
or at least that's what i like to think